Numbered days for Steelers' Washington

[feltdizz]

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Personally, I am far from convinced about Sweed... I think he was not deserving of his draft rank.... And I was saying this from day one last April, not only during the season.

... I will be happy to be proved wrong, and will say so if it happens... But I want to see it first, before I bestow any sort of level of confidence upon him... He hasn't "lived-up" to his billing so far, so I want to see it on the field.... His rookie season was his "mulligan", now it's time to step-up.

I find it funny how people who hate Nate are so high on Sweed when he dropped 2 easy wide open TD's...

I want to be proven wrong as well... but what happens when he drops another pass?
AND HE WILL DROP ANOTHER PASS!

Is his Texas Longhorn highlights so good that fans are willing to ignore his drops because of what we saw in college? That seems to be what this comes down to...

If Nate had Sweeds college highlights he would be loved by all.

[Oviedo]

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So who exactly is the best No. 3 receiver in Pittsburgh history?

Remember now in three seasons as the No. 3 Nate Washington has

104 rec 1705 yrds 16.4 yds per reception and 12 TDS

Is it Weegie Thompson? In his six year career he had:

79 recs 1377 17.4 yds per recep and 11 TDS. Don't think so

Is it Calvin Sweeney? In his 8-yr career he had:

113 rec 1775 yds 15.7 yds per receptiion and 7 Tds. Don't think so

Is it Courtney Hawkins? In 4 yrs with Pittsburgh he had:

160 rec 1829 yds 11.4 yds per reception, 5 Tds. getting warmer, but still no Nate.

Is it Ernie Mills? 4 years From 1991 to 1994, he probably served as a No. 3 or No. 2 at times

81 rec 1232 15.2 yds per receptiion, 6 TDS

What about Andre Hastings? 4 years 1993 to 1996 . He played as No. 3 but started more games than Nate has also.

143 recep 1566 yds 11.0 yds per reception 9 TDS.

These guys were pretty good but their production does not match Nate Washington in 3 years.

Bobby Shaw? 3 years from 1999 - 2001.

92 recs 1468 yds 16.0 yds per recep 9 TDS. He's one of the best but still is not as good as Nate.

Antwaan Randle-El? 4 years in Pittsburgh. 2002 to 2005.

162 yds 2012 yds 12.9 per recep and 7 Tds.

Do some think he is the best No. 3 WR in Pittsburgh history? His four year totals are higher in total receptions and yards but Nate Washinton averaged more yards per season, had a higher yd per reception and had far more TDS.

I think the evidence clearly shows that Nate Washington is the best No. 3 WR the Steelers have had in 30 seasons. The people who say he is poor don't know at all what they are saying, and anyone who thinks Limas Sweed is going to come into the Pittsburgh offense as the No. 3 receiver and get 800 to 1000 receiving yards is completely delusional. Is he come CLOSE to what Nate Washington has done, he will do WELL.

Apples and Oranges comparison. Washington's stats benefited the last two seasons from a team that threw the ball more using multiple WR sets than they did when those other receivers you cite played. Plus as a number 3 with supposed great athletic ability he seemed totally incapable of playing on special teams and helping solve a glaring problem as a returner which a number of those other players did.

Good luck Nate. Someone will pay you and then be disappointed when you don't have Hines and Santonio drawing the double coverage and best defenders away from you. Buyer beware.

[papillon]

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Personally, I am far from convinced about Sweed... I think he was not deserving of his draft rank.... And I was saying this from day one last April, not only during the season.

... I will be happy to be proved wrong, and will say so if it happens... But I want to see it first, before I bestow any sort of level of confidence upon him... He hasn't "lived-up" to his billing so far, so I want to see it on the field.... His rookie season was his "mulligan", now it's time to step-up.

I find it funny how people who hate Nate are so high on Sweed when he dropped 2 easy wide open TD's...

I want to be proven wrong as well... but what happens when he drops another pass?
AND HE WILL DROP ANOTHER PASS!

Is his Texas Longhorn highlights so good that fans are willing to ignore his drops because of what we saw in college? That seems to be what this comes down to...

If Nate had Sweeds college highlights he would be loved by all.

Well, the reason I'm still a fan of Sweed and will give him the benfit of the doubt for now is that he was a rookie that was seeing limited playing time this year. While Nate was in his third year and if he's still having problems then the possibility exists that they may not be correctable.

For the record, I'd like for both of these players to be Steelers next year. Starks' contract almost makes it a certainty that Nate will not be a Steeler. That's too bad, because, I believe he was coming into his own as a Steeler.

Pappy

[Scarletfire1970]

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Sweed seems to lack confidence. That is a bad thing in the NFL.

[papillon]

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Sweed seems to lack confidence. That is a bad thing in the NFL.

I don't think it was confidence that he lacked, but, focus and concentration. He seemed to get open rather easily, but, just lost focus and concentration when the ball came his way. Or, maybe, he was so focused on running the correct route that he didn't focus on the basics of being a WR and that's catching the ball.

He'll be fine and we'll be talking about the best 1-2-3 WR corps in the league next year: Holmes, Ward, Sweed.

The Kool-aid tastes great after winning the super Bowl. Try some.

Pappy

[Iron Shiek]

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Sorry if this news has been posted but I didn't see it anywhere...doesn't seem the Steelers even are trying to negotiate with Nate dog:

Feb 23, 2009 12:36 PM CST
Washington may not be back?
The News
Nate Washington's agent has indicated that the Steelers have not yet displayed interest in re-signing him, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Our View
Washington has good size and speed, but the Steelers have Limas Sweed waiting in the wings to replace him as the No. 3 receiver. The club likes Dallas Baker as well.

[feltdizz]

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Sorry if this news has been posted but I didn't see it anywhere...doesn't seem the Steelers even are trying to negotiate with Nate dog:

Feb 23, 2009 12:36 PM CST
Washington may not be back?
The News
Nate Washington's agent has indicated that the Steelers have not yet displayed interest in re-signing him, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Our View
Washington has good size and speed, but the Steelers have Limas Sweed waiting in the wings to replace him as the No. 3 receiver. The club likes Dallas Baker as well.

as a #3WR Nate was alright by me...

we pay Sweed more anyway already don't we?

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Sorry if this news has been posted but I didn't see it anywhere...doesn't seem the Steelers even are trying to negotiate with Nate dog:

Feb 23, 2009 12:36 PM CST
Washington may not be back?
The News
Nate Washington's agent has indicated that the Steelers have not yet displayed interest in re-signing him, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Our View
Washington has good size and speed, but the Steelers have Limas Sweed waiting in the wings to replace him as the No. 3 receiver. The club likes Dallas Baker as well.

as a #3WR Nate was alright by me...

we pay Sweed more anyway already don't we?

Marvel's agent also mentioned that the Steelers have not contacted him at all either. I know you don't want to insult a guy with a lowball offer, but you can still let them know that you are somewhat interested in a guy if they came back for a price that was amenable to both the player and the team (since our team will be somewhat cap-strapped after the Starks franchise tag and the contract extensions of guys like Harrison and Miller). Nate sounded like a guy who recognized his role on the team and wanted to come back rather than chase big bucks elsewhere (while McFadden sounded like the opposite), but by not making any contract with Nate's agent with only a few days to go before free agency hits, I'm sure that it makes him feel unwanted and therefore more prone to leave. Just because you have certain players as your highest priorities does not mean that you should flat-out ignore the other guys...that's how bridges get burned. Just my

[Oviedo]

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Sorry if this news has been posted but I didn't see it anywhere...doesn't seem the Steelers even are trying to negotiate with Nate dog:

Feb 23, 2009 12:36 PM CST
Washington may not be back?
The News
Nate Washington's agent has indicated that the Steelers have not yet displayed interest in re-signing him, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
Our View
Washington has good size and speed, but the Steelers have Limas Sweed waiting in the wings to replace him as the No. 3 receiver. The club likes Dallas Baker as well.

as a #3WR Nate was alright by me...

we pay Sweed more anyway already don't we?

Marvel's agent also mentioned that the Steelers have not contacted him at all either. I know you don't want to insult a guy with a lowball offer, but you can still let them know that you are somewhat interested in a guy if they came back for a price that was amenable to both the player and the team (since our team will be somewhat cap-strapped after the Starks franchise tag and the contract extensions of guys like Harrison and Miller). Nate sounded like a guy who recognized his role on the team and wanted to come back rather than chase big bucks elsewhere (while McFadden sounded like the opposite), but by not making any contract with Nate's agent with only a few days to go before free agency hits, I'm sure that it makes him feel unwanted and therefore more prone to leave. Just because you have certain players as your highest priorities does not mean that you should flat-out ignore the other guys...that's how bridges get burned. Just my

It's a two-way street. Nate's agent also could go to the Steelers and say Nate is willing to take this much to stay. Same with Marvel. The player's agents want it both ways. They play the "he wants to stay" card but wait for the team to make the first offer.

If you really want to stay you tell your agent to go to the Steelers and make it happen.

[feltdizz]

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Nates agent IS saying.. hello let's talk. Maybe this is how the Steelers are able to get the hometown discount.

We have more important numbers to crunch at other positions...

it's a business..

[Steelerphile]

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So who exactly is the best No. 3 receiver in Pittsburgh history?

Remember now in three seasons as the No. 3 Nate Washington has

104 rec 1705 yrds 16.4 yds per reception and 12 TDS

Is it Weegie Thompson? In his six year career he had:

79 recs 1377 17.4 yds per recep and 11 TDS. Don't think so

Is it Calvin Sweeney? In his 8-yr career he had:

113 rec 1775 yds 15.7 yds per receptiion and 7 Tds. Don't think so

Is it Courtney Hawkins? In 4 yrs with Pittsburgh he had:

160 rec 1829 yds 11.4 yds per reception, 5 Tds. getting warmer, but still no Nate.

Is it Ernie Mills? 4 years From 1991 to 1994, he probably served as a No. 3 or No. 2 at times

81 rec 1232 15.2 yds per receptiion, 6 TDS

What about Andre Hastings? 4 years 1993 to 1996 . He played as No. 3 but started more games than Nate has also.

143 recep 1566 yds 11.0 yds per reception 9 TDS.

These guys were pretty good but their production does not match Nate Washington in 3 years.

Bobby Shaw? 3 years from 1999 - 2001.

92 recs 1468 yds 16.0 yds per recep 9 TDS. He's one of the best but still is not as good as Nate.

Antwaan Randle-El? 4 years in Pittsburgh. 2002 to 2005.

162 yds 2012 yds 12.9 per recep and 7 Tds.

Do some think he is the best No. 3 WR in Pittsburgh history? His four year totals are higher in total receptions and yards but Nate Washinton averaged more yards per season, had a higher yd per reception and had far more TDS.

I think the evidence clearly shows that Nate Washington is the best No. 3 WR the Steelers have had in 30 seasons. The people who say he is poor don't know at all what they are saying, and anyone who thinks Limas Sweed is going to come into the Pittsburgh offense as the No. 3 receiver and get 800 to 1000 receiving yards is completely delusional. Is he come CLOSE to what Nate Washington has done, he will do WELL.

Apples and Oranges comparison. Washington's stats benefited the last two seasons from a team that threw the ball more using multiple WR sets than they did when those other receivers you cite played. Plus as a number 3 with supposed great athletic ability he seemed totally incapable of playing on special teams and helping solve a glaring problem as a returner which a number of those other players did.

Good luck Nate. Someone will pay you and then be disappointed when you don't have Hines and Santonio drawing the double coverage and best defenders away from you. Buyer beware.

Not Apples and oranges at all, The Steelers had three receiver sets back in the 90s. These other receivers had good No. 1s and 2s on the team also. The Steelers still passed fewer times the last three seasons than most teams did. Your only right point is that Nate didn't contribute as a returner. Can't disagree there, but as a receiver he is superior to the other No. 3s the Steelers have had. You'll never admit that though since you're a Nate hater from the start and won't change now.