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  • fordfixer
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    • May 2008
    • 10921

    Steelers stuck with Smith? It could happen

    Steelers stuck with Smith? It could happen

    February 12, 5:08 PM
    by Matt Pawlikowski, Pittsburgh Sports Examiner

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    PITTSBURGH - The free-agency period looms right around the corner, and even though they are the Super Bowl Champs, don't expect the roster to remain the same.

    Unlike the Steel Curtain Dynasty days where the faces constantly remained the same, just one look at what occurred after Super Bowl XL should be a good measuring stick of what could happen.

    It didn't matter they were World Champs, because the Steelers still lost three key players to the new 'dollars talk philosophy' of today's ballplayer - safety Chris Hope, wide receiver Antwaan Randle El, defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen.

    On Feb. 27, the Steelers have 13 players who can be unrestricted free agents. Already the team has said it wants to make a pitch to sign cornerback Bryant McFadden. They have discussed possible contract extension offers, but now the most pressing issue is the left side of the line. Marvel Smith ( eft) with former Steeler Alan Faneca

    “We haven’t made any definite offers or decisions on any of our guys at this point,” Steelers Director of Football Operations Kevin Colbert said. “But it’s safe to say that we will try to keep as many of our own guys as possible, fully understanding that it may not be possible. We may have to go outside, either through free agency or through the draft, to replace some guys we potentially could lose.”

    So why the left side? For starters, left guard Chris Kemoeatu who replaced All-Pro Alan Faneca is a unrestricted free agent. And then there is the fact both Marvel Smith and Max Starks could also hit the open market.

    According to Scott Brown of the Tribune Review, Smith would be the most logical option to sign for this reason alone; He is 31 and has the most experince, but also added the injury factore considering Smith has missed 29 games since 2003.

    Unreliable might be an understatement to describe him.


    Starks would be the better choice, but is sure to be coveted around the NFL and could attract the big dollars since he plays at a position that is in high demand. While he allowed just four sacks in the ten games he played, there is the question as to whether or not the Steelers would want to overpay for him.

    There is another option if they feel the necessity when it comes to Starks; putting the franchise tag on him.

    But , can you imagine an angry Starks? It could prove to be a major distraction. This would be a last resort in my opinion for the team since a player who is under duress, usually is a cancer in the lockers. The Steelers say they are family, but contract squabbles can become major distractions.

    Last year to keep Starks, they put the transition tag on him, and many scoffed at the idea, but without him this year No. 6 may have been much tougher to come by.

    Which brings us back to Mr. Smith. Avoiding Starks should he delve into the open market may leave the team with little options, but again, this would be a huge mistake. Don't tell me the continuity thing either. Again, Smith has a history of injuries, and is 31.

    I've been asked over and over about Trai Essex. Well guess what? He is a UFA also, making it not out of possibility that the team could be without a veteran left tackle meaning they would have to address it in the draft, something tough with the 32nd pick.

    Essex is a good backup, but only has one career start.

    So here is a name to think about, Vernon Carey. Who you ask? Probably one of the top tackles on the market, the Miami Dolphin UFA could be out of the Steeler price range. But Carey wants to play for a winner and can play both left and right tackle. The Steelers do have money under the cap so keep his name in mind, especially if they decide not to go for Starks and Smith.

    "It goes all the way back to the Chief setting the standards and how this organization was formed and that continuity has always been there," said Colbert. " The stability in the organization from the Rooney's everyone understands the message. The standard has been set, you are expected to contend for a championship."

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  • WoodleyofTroy
    Starter
    • Jan 2009
    • 709

    #2
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    I don't see having Smith back (no pun intended) being a problem, if and only if the Steelers bring in his replacement at the same time. Just like Starks (maybe he's the guy or a top draft pick) was backing Smith up, I think Smith should now be the guy that endures the backup role, most importantly keeping him healthy during the crucial parts of the year.

    This of course is all now possible due to him not being able to cash in on his contract season and obvious super bowl year. Steelers should take advantage and have lucked out in my opinion.

    Just like every one was down on Ryan Clark last year screaming for Euguene Wilson as a replacement, I think Marvel Smith turns out to be the same.
    "That's just Ben being Superman" -John Madden, Super Bowl XLIII

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    • Chadman
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      • May 2008
      • 6537

      #3
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      Just something to keep in mind for those watching the LT situation with interest...

      IF- the Steelers re-sign Max Starks, it will either be A)- Overpaid with the Franchise Tag, or B)- Long term, say 4-6 years, basically guarenteeing his position at LT for that time frame. This will, essentially, take a rookie LT out of the draft equation because, let's face it, if Starks is signed for that amount of time, he's the starter.

      IF- the Steelers re-sign Marvel Smith, you sign a proven vet that will be 31, and a proven starter, with back problems. Signing Smith will LIKELY mean the Steelers will DRAFT a LT simply because of Smith's back problems- as insurance. Chances are, Smith's re-signing will be modest, due to injury, and also short term for the same reason. And to top it off, not that Chadman would wish this on anyone, but if Smith gets hurt, it basically fast-forward's the rookie LT's playing time, much like what happened with Ben.

      Now, Chadman has been a big defender of Max Starks on here, but the way this draft is shaking out, the Steelers SHOULD be able to grab a decent OT option in the first 3 rounds. Having Smith for a year or two would allow the Steelers to bring the rookie along & have him step in when he's ready, or Smith goes down again & the rookie starts playing (who on here doesn't like seeing Rookies play?)

      Re-signing Smith is starting to look smarter to Chadman all the time...
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      • WoodleyofTroy
        Starter
        • Jan 2009
        • 709

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        Originally posted by Chadman
        Re-signing Smith is starting to look smarter to Chadman all the time...
        And if Smith stays healthy this year, he's easily the #2 behind Jordan Gross, in which we wouldn't even have a chance.

        We can get him cheap, bring in his replacement at the same time, and try to keep him healthy for the latter part of the season.

        I guarantee this will be one of those moves everyone looks back on, like everyone complaining about giving Farrior that extension when it was unexpected.
        "That's just Ben being Superman" -John Madden, Super Bowl XLIII

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        • Mister Pittsburgh
          Hall of Famer
          • Jul 2008
          • 3674

          #5
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          Sign Marvel who should come fairly cheap. What would it take to sign Carey in FA?

          Option 1:
          LT-Marvel
          LG-Colon
          C-Hartwig
          RG-Stapleton or Draft Pick
          RT-Carey, Hills, or Draft Pick

          Option 2:
          LT-Carey
          LG-Colon or Draft Pick
          C-Hartwig
          RG-Stapleton or Draft Pick
          RT-Colon, Hills, or Draft Pick
          @_Hellgrammite

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          • Steeler Shades
            Starter
            • May 2008
            • 724

            #6
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            Originally posted by fordfixer
            According to Scott Brown of the Tribune Review, Smith would be the most logical option to sign for this reason alone; He is 31 and has the most experince, but also added the injury factore considering Smith has missed 29 games since 2003.

            Unreliable might be an understatement to describe him.


            Starks would be the better choice, but is sure to be coveted around the NFL and could attract the big dollars since he plays at a position that is in high demand. While he allowed just four sacks in the ten games he played, there is the question as to whether or not the Steelers would want to overpay for him.
            If we can't sign Starks we should just let Smith go anyways. No sense in keeping him and pretending that it was a good football decision instead of a good financial decision.
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            • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
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              • May 2008
              • 3937

              #7
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              My first choice would be to sign Starks if he would be at or around his tag number last year. Draft Mack in the 1st and maybe Loadholt in the 2nd. If Starks is looking for 7.5-8.5 mil I would let him walk. Bring in Carey and sign Essex. Still draft Mack in the 1st & Loadholt in the 2nd. If they miss out on Starks & Carey I would sign Smith on a 2 year deal in the 1-2 mil range...If he takes it. Incentives to 5 mil if he starts 16 games. Target Beatty in the 1st for the future. Then maybe Unger or Urbick in the 2nd. I would hope the Steelers wouldn't leave the state of the franchise on Smith's back... ...But instead make sure Starks or Carey is here before the draft. This is a deep draft at OL for the Steelers at the end of the 1st & 2nd rounds to secure 2 starters (If needed) on opening day on the interior or RT spot. It would be a shame to throw that opportunity away by pushing the panic button for a LT!!!

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              • RuthlessBurgher
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                • May 2008
                • 33208

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                Originally posted by WoodleyofTroy
                Just like every one was down on Ryan Clark last year screaming for Euguene Wilson as a replacement.
                If I recall correctly, I don't think anyone was screaming that Wilson would be a desirable replacement for Clark. People were understandably worried that Clark might not be the same player after losing his spleen and all that weight, so folks were suggesting that Wilson might be a better option than Anthony Smith or Tyrone Carter, if Clark could not go. The comparison was between Wilson and Clark's backups, not Wilson and Clark himself. I think everyone understood that a healthy Clark would be the man, but the Wilson debate occurred when Clark was not yet healthy.
                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                • pfelix73
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 3458

                  #9
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                  This is somewhat old news. Ed Buchette reported in January that they will probably bring back Smith for at least 1 year. Steelers said they know all there is to know about his back and believe those problems are 'behind' him.

                  Personally, I'd like to see Starks at LT next year, but I don't think it will happen. He sounded like he wanted to test free agency during that media day at SB43.

                  It would be nice to get some of the OL taken care of before the draft so they could concentrate on the DL or even secondary in the 1st round or 2. An eventual replacement for Hampton or Keisel might be a good idea in the draft. Both of these guys' contracts are up in a year..... I think there will be some 1st rate big time talent still there at #32. Someone's gonna fall down. IMO.
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                  • steelz09
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                    • Jan 2008
                    • 4675

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                    I wouldn't be against a 1 year deal but I don't know if Smith will accept that although he should. Starks, I could see pricing himself out of the Steelers range and I don't think he deserves top-tier LT money away. We're in a tough situation here unless Hills has shown promise.

                    Smith is the better LT obviously (compared to Starks) but the writing is on the wall. The guy has missed almost the last two seasons. You can't take that type of risk on a player especially long-term. And it's a BACK injury. There's no playing around when it comes to back injuries... he may never be the same player, nor do I feel confident that the back injury won't continue to give him problems in the future.
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                    • RuthlessBurgher
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                      • May 2008
                      • 33208

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                      Originally posted by jhansle1
                      I wouldn't be against a 1 year deal but I don't know if Smith will accept that although he should. Starks, I could see pricing himself out of the Steelers range and I don't think he deserves top-tier LT money away. We're in a tough situation here unless Hills has shown promise.

                      Smith is the better LT obviously (compared to Starks) but the writing is on the wall. The guy has missed almost the last two seasons. You can't take that type of risk on a player especially long-term. And it's a BACK injury. There's no playing around when it comes to back injuries... he may never be the same player, nor do I feel confident that the back injury won't continue to give him problems in the future.
                      Marvel might prefer a 1 year deal, actually. He is 30 now, and will be 31 by the start of the season. If he takes a one year deal, and somehow manages to make it through the season without back trouble and plays well, he still may able to get one last decent contract from someone when he will be 32 heading into the 2010 season. If he takes a 2 or 3 year deal, then he would be 33 or 34 when it expired, and he likely won't be able to get one last good contract at that age. His best bet would be to take a short deal with low base salary but with plenty of incentives for playing time and performance, thereby gambling on himself that he might have a good, relatively injury free season that could lead to a nice contract next year, since he won't be able to get that good contract now, coming off 2 straight seasons that were cut short by injury.
                      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                      • Steeler Shades
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                        • May 2008
                        • 724

                        #12
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                        Let me ask a couple of "what if questions": suppose Starks prices himself out of the Steelers and the Steelers sign Smith to a "reasonable" (for a LT) two year contract. Then the 3rd game of the year Smith has back problems (again) and can't play anymore. Where will that leave the Steelers? Considering Smith's history, how likely is that to happen? Is it worth the risk?

                        My answer is that considering Smith's history that it is at LEAST a 50/50 probability and is not worth the risk at a position as vital as LT. Smith can't help that he is hurt, but the Steelers can and should do something to improve the O-Line. "Hoping" Smith can actually play one year out of three, IMHO is not realistically doing much to help the O-Line situation and Ben.
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                        • pfelix73
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                          • Aug 2008
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                          The Steelers will give us a good idea on Smith's health. Buchette said (common sense too) that they know him inside and out and that this back problem should now be fixed permanently. Although they said that last year too....

                          Obviously, no one knows for sure if that is the truth but the doctors must know what they are talking about. I'm sure the Steelers have all the inside info. on it. If they don't re-sign him, then maybe the doctors aren't so sure about his prognosis afterall. A 1-year deal sounds to me like it would be the way to go.....
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                          • Steeler Shades
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                            • May 2008
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                            Originally posted by pfelix73
                            ... they know him inside and out and that this back problem should now be fixed permanently. Although they said that last year too....
                            I guess the question should be...do the Steelers (or anybody) know for sure whether Smith's back is going to last the entire season?

                            They supposedly thought that he was good to go this past season, and were wrong. Why would they be any better at predicting his health this coming year?
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                            • Slapstick
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                              • May 2008
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                              If the Steelers really thought Marvel Smith was good to go last season, then why bother tagging Starks as they did?
                              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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