Arians??

[NorCal-Steeler]

If Arians some how paints his master peice and calls a great game do you give him a pass on next season?
I'd say yes and see how he does with some new linemen, but anything short of a Super Bowl win i'd pin the loss on him and ship him to cleveland.

[Steeler Shades]

Re: Arians??

No. He needs to be gone. We can do better.

[Oviedo]

Re: Arians??

We could score 70 points and the Arians haters would think it happened by accident. No OC will ever do enough for the fans. If Arians leaves half the posters will hate the next OC by the middle of next season. It's just the Steelers way.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Arians??

We could score 70 points and the Arians haters would think it happened by accident. No OC will ever do enough for the fans. If Arians leaves half the posters will hate the next OC by the middle of next season. It's just the Steelers way.

I agree. People hated the play calling under Cowher. They will hate the play calling under the next guy. I do not think Arians is going anywhere.

[Flasteel]

Re: Arians??

We could score 70 points and the Arians haters would think it happened by accident. No OC will ever do enough for the fans. If Arians leaves half the posters will hate the next OC by the middle of next season. It's just the Steelers way.

I agree. People hated the play calling under Cowher. They will hate the play calling under the next guy. I do not think Arians is going anywhere.

Real shocking opinions coming from you two.

IF that were to occur, as much as I hate Bruce Arians and have been one of his most vocal critics (at least here), I agree that it then becomes a nearly impossible decision to make. I personally place a high value on continuity and this happening might finally convince me that Hell does occasionally freeze over or that monkeys can actually fly out of my ass.

If however we lose this game due to poor offensive performance or maybe even if we just suck it up and our defense bails us out, there will be a deafening scream from the Steeler Nation for his head.

I also disagree with Big-O's assertion that no OC will ever be good enough for the masses. I've only had problems with Joe Walton, Ray Sherman, and Kevin Gilbride. I've loved Ron Erhardt, Chan Gailey, Mularkey, and Whiz. I think there may have been some temporary discord with people's personal feelings on "trick plays", too much running, or getting away from the run (with Maddox or 2006). But overall, I think there are many of us (if not most) who feel the same as I do.

I recognize a pile of crap when I see it but who knows, maybe the smell I detect eminating from Bruce Arians is something else. I just doubt it.

[AngryAsian]

Re: Arians??

I also disagree with Big-O's assertion that no OC will ever be good enough for the masses. I've only had problems with Joe Walton, Ray Sherman, and Kevin Gilbride. I've loved Ron Erhardt, Chan Gailey, Mularkey, and Whiz. I think there may have been some temporary discord with people's personal feelings on "trick plays", too much running, or getting away from the run (with Maddox or 2006). But overall, I think there are many of us (if not most) who feel the same as I do.

I recognize a pile of crap when I see it but who knows, maybe the smell I detect eminating from Bruce Arians is something else. I just doubt it.

The difference with these bums and the bum we currently have is that they didn't have the talent we have currently on our offense. Not to mention an elite QB manning the ropes. Trust me, all of you Arians lovers... if we didn't have Ben, we wouldn't be having these conversations. We wouldn't be in the SB and the plays that have been called that got us here would be in the toilet. We win in spite of our OC, not because of him.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: Arians??

The problem I have with the play calling is that it is taking years off Ben's career. Win (or otherwise) doesn't change that.

[Steeler Shades]

Re: Arians??

I recognize a pile of crap when I see it but who knows, maybe the smell I detect eminating from Bruce Arians is something else. I just doubt it.

The difference with these bums and the bum we currently have is that they didn't have the talent we have currently on our offense. Not to mention an elite QB manning the ropes. Trust me, all of you Arians lovers... if we didn't have Ben, we wouldn't be having these conversations. We wouldn't be in the SB and the plays that have been called that got us here would be in the toilet. We win in spite of our OC, not because of him.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Arians??

We could score 70 points and the Arians haters would think it happened by accident. No OC will ever do enough for the fans. If Arians leaves half the posters will hate the next OC by the middle of next season. It's just the Steelers way.

I agree. People hated the play calling under Cowher. They will hate the play calling under the next guy. I do not think Arians is going anywhere.

Real shocking opinions coming from you two.

IF that were to occur, as much as I hate Bruce Arians and have been one of his most vocal critics (at least here), I agree that it then becomes a nearly impossible decision to make. I personally place a high value on continuity and this happening might finally convince me that Hell does occasionally freeze over or that monkeys can actually fly out of my ass.

If however we lose this game due to poor offensive performance or maybe even if we just suck it up and our defense bails us out, there will be a deafening scream from the Steeler Nation for his head.

I also disagree with Big-O's assertion that no OC will ever be good enough for the masses. I've only had problems with Joe Walton, Ray Sherman, and Kevin Gilbride. I've loved Ron Erhardt, Chan Gailey, Mularkey, and Whiz. I think there may have been some temporary discord with people's personal feelings on "trick plays", too much running, or getting away from the run (with Maddox or 2006). But overall, I think there are many of us (if not most) who feel the same as I do.

I recognize a pile of crap when I see it but who knows, maybe the smell I detect eminating from Bruce Arians is something else. I just doubt it.

Dude, people have questioned the play calling under every OC the Steelers had. I've read some not so thoughtful reasons as to why Arians should be gone. Come to think about it, people just blurt out any reason why he should be fired. Arians deserves some of the credit for this team making it too the SB.

[Steeler Shades]

Re: Arians??

We could score 70 points and the Arians haters would think it happened by accident.

No, I would think our Defense & Special Teams must have scored 42 points.

No OC will ever do enough for the fans.

Not true. Any OC that comes in here and has one of the top rated offenses year in and year out (similar to what LeBeau has done with the defense) will be good enough for most of us. Actually, I'd be happy with an OC that can keep our offense in the top 50% in the league.

If Arians leaves half the posters will hate the next OC by the middle of next season.

If you are suggesting that it is possible to hire a worse OC than Airens, then I have to agree with you. Fortunately it is also possible to do much better than him

It's just the Steelers way.

Again, you are correct. It is the Steeler way not to accept mediocrity and to hope for improvement form an area of the team that is under performing.

[Flasteel]

Re: Arians??

We could score 70 points and the Arians haters would think it happened by accident. No OC will ever do enough for the fans. If Arians leaves half the posters will hate the next OC by the middle of next season. It's just the Steelers way.

I agree. People hated the play calling under Cowher. They will hate the play calling under the next guy. I do not think Arians is going anywhere.

Real shocking opinions coming from you two.

IF that were to occur, as much as I hate Bruce Arians and have been one of his most vocal critics (at least here), I agree that it then becomes a nearly impossible decision to make. I personally place a high value on continuity and this happening might finally convince me that Hell does occasionally freeze over or that monkeys can actually fly out of my ass.

If however we lose this game due to poor offensive performance or maybe even if we just suck it up and our defense bails us out, there will be a deafening scream from the Steeler Nation for his head.

I also disagree with Big-O's assertion that no OC will ever be good enough for the masses. I've only had problems with Joe Walton, Ray Sherman, and Kevin Gilbride. I've loved Ron Erhardt, Chan Gailey, Mularkey, and Whiz. I think there may have been some temporary discord with people's personal feelings on "trick plays", too much running, or getting away from the run (with Maddox or 2006). But overall, I think there are many of us (if not most) who feel the same as I do.

I recognize a pile of crap when I see it but who knows, maybe the smell I detect eminating from Bruce Arians is something else. I just doubt it.

Dude, people have questioned the play calling under every OC the Steelers had. I've read some not so thoughtful reasons as to why Arians should be gone. Come to think about it, people just blurt out any reason why he should be fired. Arians deserves some of the credit for this team making it too the SB.

I've put forth some very intelligent evidence in support of my argument for both you and Oviedo (or anyone else who read it). It is based on my knowledge of the game as a life-long fan and as a coach. I'm not claiming some superior intellect over the average fan, but I can tell you that the points I make are sound and completely valid.

I recognize and have agreed with some of the few things that I see which are positive from BA. There is no doubt they have helped to contribute in a very meager way to the very meager success we have enjoyed offensively.

However, the mind-numbingly horrible aspects of his performance cast a huge shadow of shit over those positives.

I already agreed that some people can and will always find fault with the OC no matter who he is...you can't please everyone. But there are a lot more people who are intelligent enough to see when there is a valid reason for criticism and don't hate on every coach indiscriminately.

Go ahead and take a poll. See how many posters have disliked each offensive coordinator beginning with Walton. I realize that not everyone will be completely honest and may choose to forget some of the complaints they voiced while here, but you will get an idea of just how wrong you and Oviedo are about this.

A significant percentage of Steeler fans don't like this guy and many of us are rabid about it. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and Arians' head looks like a friggin' chimney stack to me.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: Arians??

We could score 70 points and the Arians haters would think it happened by accident. No OC will ever do enough for the fans. If Arians leaves half the posters will hate the next OC by the middle of next season. It's just the Steelers way.

I agree. People hated the play calling under Cowher. They will hate the play calling under the next guy. I do not think Arians is going anywhere.

Real shocking opinions coming from you two.

IF that were to occur, as much as I hate Bruce Arians and have been one of his most vocal critics (at least here), I agree that it then becomes a nearly impossible decision to make. I personally place a high value on continuity and this happening might finally convince me that Hell does occasionally freeze over or that monkeys can actually fly out of my ass.

If however we lose this game due to poor offensive performance or maybe even if we just suck it up and our defense bails us out, there will be a deafening scream from the Steeler Nation for his head.

I also disagree with Big-O's assertion that no OC will ever be good enough for the masses. I've only had problems with Joe Walton, Ray Sherman, and Kevin Gilbride. I've loved Ron Erhardt, Chan Gailey, Mularkey, and Whiz. I think there may have been some temporary discord with people's personal feelings on "trick plays", too much running, or getting away from the run (with Maddox or 2006). But overall, I think there are many of us (if not most) who feel the same as I do.

I recognize a pile of crap when I see it but who knows, maybe the smell I detect eminating from Bruce Arians is something else. I just doubt it.

Dude, people have questioned the play calling under every OC the Steelers had. I've read some not so thoughtful reasons as to why Arians should be gone. Come to think about it, people just blurt out any reason why he should be fired. Arians deserves some of the credit for this team making it too the SB.

I've put forth some very intelligent evidence in support of my argument for both you and Oviedo (or anyone else who read it). It is based on my knowledge of the game as a life-long fan and as a coach. I'm not claiming some superior intellect over the average fan, but I can tell you that the points I make are sound and completely valid.

I recognize and have agreed with some of the few things that I see which are positive from BA. There is no doubt they have helped to contribute in a very meager way to the very meager success we have enjoyed offensively.

However, the mind-numbingly horrible aspects of his performance cast a huge shadow of shit over those positives.

I already agreed that some people can and will always find fault with the OC no matter who he is...you can't please everyone. But there are a lot more people who are intelligent enough to see when there is a valid reason for criticism and don't hate on every coach indiscriminately.

Go ahead and take a poll. See how many posters have disliked each offensive coordinator beginning with Walton. I realize that not everyone will be completely honest and may choose to forget some of the complaints they voiced while here, but you will get an idea of just how wrong you and Oviedo are about this.

A significant percentage of Steeler fans don't like this guy and many of us are rabid about it. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and Arians' head looks like a friggin' chimney stack to me.

Photoshop op!

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Arians??

We could score 70 points and the Arians haters would think it happened by accident. No OC will ever do enough for the fans. If Arians leaves half the posters will hate the next OC by the middle of next season. It's just the Steelers way.

I agree. People hated the play calling under Cowher. They will hate the play calling under the next guy. I do not think Arians is going anywhere.

Real shocking opinions coming from you two.

IF that were to occur, as much as I hate Bruce Arians and have been one of his most vocal critics (at least here), I agree that it then becomes a nearly impossible decision to make. I personally place a high value on continuity and this happening might finally convince me that Hell does occasionally freeze over or that monkeys can actually fly out of my ass.

If however we lose this game due to poor offensive performance or maybe even if we just suck it up and our defense bails us out, there will be a deafening scream from the Steeler Nation for his head.

I also disagree with Big-O's assertion that no OC will ever be good enough for the masses. I've only had problems with Joe Walton, Ray Sherman, and Kevin Gilbride. I've loved Ron Erhardt, Chan Gailey, Mularkey, and Whiz. I think there may have been some temporary discord with people's personal feelings on "trick plays", too much running, or getting away from the run (with Maddox or 2006). But overall, I think there are many of us (if not most) who feel the same as I do.

I recognize a pile of crap when I see it but who knows, maybe the smell I detect eminating from Bruce Arians is something else. I just doubt it.

Dude, people have questioned the play calling under every OC the Steelers had. I've read some not so thoughtful reasons as to why Arians should be gone. Come to think about it, people just blurt out any reason why he should be fired. Arians deserves some of the credit for this team making it too the SB.

I've put forth some very intelligent evidence in support of my argument for both you and Oviedo (or anyone else who read it). It is based on my knowledge of the game as a life-long fan and as a coach. I'm not claiming some superior intellect over the average fan, but I can tell you that the points I make are sound and completely valid.

I recognize and have agreed with some of the few things that I see which are positive from BA. There is no doubt they have helped to contribute in a very meager way to the very meager success we have enjoyed offensively.

However, the mind-numbingly horrible aspects of his performance cast a huge shadow of shit over those positives.

I already agreed that some people can and will always find fault with the OC no matter who he is...you can't please everyone. But there are a lot more people who are intelligent enough to see when there is a valid reason for criticism and don't hate on every coach indiscriminately.

Go ahead and take a poll. See how many posters have disliked each offensive coordinator beginning with Walton. I realize that not everyone will be completely honest and may choose to forget some of the complaints they voiced while here, but you will get an idea of just how wrong you and Oviedo are about this.

A significant percentage of Steeler fans don't like this guy and many of us are rabid about it. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and Arians' head looks like a friggin' chimney stack to me.

Oviedo and I must be on to something if Arians is still the OC the team. If he is still here after the season, I guess we were correct. He has been around the league for awhile so he must be doing something right. There is just as much evidence to support that Arians has done a good job. This offense will be better if the Oline is upgraded and the players stop making mistakes and execute better. Ben and others can improve areas of their games to help the offense improve.

The problem with people is they think they understand why plays are called. No fan knows. No one knows what plays Ben changes and so on. People do not like the guy because he was the Browns OC at one point. Where is the logic in that? Take everything into account and this offense has had success under him. That is the bottom line. How many points did the offense score last post season? How many points is the offense averaging this post season?

[Steelgal]

Re: Arians??

Even if we win the Superbowl, either the O-line coach or Arians needs to go. Ben is being sacked way too much (yes, he does hold it too long at times), but it's still inexcuseable. Either Zeirlein needs to adjust his blocking schemes or Arians needs to change some playcalling AND use a full-back again. All of the blame can't be put on Ben and so someone else needs to be accountable and get fired.

[msp26505]

Re: Arians??

One of the most important characteristics of a good coach or coordinator is the ability to adapt scheme to fit the talents and abilities of the players on the roster.

Bruce Arians has shown an inability or unwillingness to do this.

He doesn't believe in the fullback and he shows no creativity in terms of play selection or disguising plays. Probably not coincidentally, his offenses are consistently ranked in the mid-20's.

Like Asian said, the Steelers are here in spite of him, not because of him.

Because I am sure he is too arrogant to admit fault and change his ways, I hope he is gone after the season regardless of the outcome of today's game.