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  • Joel Buchsbaum
    Legend
    • Jan 2021
    • 7744

    Steelers have fools gold at quarterback.

    We have Wilson who was voted off two teams and is 36, and a recent first round bust in Fields.

    Neither man is signed beyond this season.

    Can anyone name a QB that became a long answer under these circumstances?

    Okay there must be one, but the point remains.

    The value of a good QB is at an all time high now, but the Steelers have fools gold.

    Some of the fans can see it, why can't the Steelers?
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***
  • Flasteel
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 4008

    #2
    Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
    We have Wilson who was voted off two teams and is 36, and a recent first round bust in Fields.

    Neither man is signed beyond this season.

    Can anyone name a QB that became a long answer under these circumstances?

    Okay there must be one, but the point remains.

    The value of a good QB is at an all time high now, but the Steelers have fools gold.

    Some of the fans can see it, why can't the Steelers?
    Some of the fans can see it? You don't know squat dude. It is the height of arrogance to think you know a fraction of what the front office or coaching staff knows. You peddle in opinions that are formed from nothing more than an amalgam of websites you've visited and a handful of plays you've watched from the other end of a screen.

    You could be right that neither Wilson or Fields winds up panning out. But even that broken clock is right twice a day. For you to keep making these absolute proclamations and projecting failure based on your superior knowledge and insight is laughable. Almost as laughable as trading up inside the top 10 for a QB who is now projected to slide into Round Two.

    How about you just wait and see what these guys look like on this team before you start forming opinions?
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    • NorthCoast
      Legend
      • Sep 2008
      • 26640

      #3
      Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
      We have Wilson who was voted off two teams and is 36, and a recent first round bust in Fields.

      Neither man is signed beyond this season.

      Can anyone name a QB that became a long answer under these circumstances?

      Okay there must be one, but the point remains.

      The value of a good QB is at an all time high now, but the Steelers have fools gold.

      Some of the fans can see it, why can't the Steelers?
      You got a long way to climb back up from "Rudolph is a $20M QB"....

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      • feltdizz
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 27568

        #4
        I said it before and I will say it again. If it works this year Khan and Tomlin look like geniuses. If it doesn’t work, it could be the end for Tomlin.

        That isn’t really a risky assessment of the situation on my end.

        Also wouldn’t be mad if Penix dropped and we scooped him up in the second round.
        Steelers 27
        Rats 16

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        • WindyCitySteel
          Legend
          • Nov 2011
          • 15684

          #5
          Originally posted by feltdizz
          I said it before and I will say it again. If it works this year Khan and Tomlin look like geniuses. If it doesn?t work, it could be the end for Tomlin.
          Maybe only if Pickett tears it up elsewhere, which likely won't happen, especially if Hurts stays healthy. I love the swing for the fences -- the stars on D are aging, we're not starting a rebuild, we're trying to steal a championship in the next year or two and I'm all in for that.

          Wilson is a safe play, he performed on a worse team last year and seems rejuvenated in Pittsburgh. Smith's offense should be a much better fit than Payton's.

          Fields may never bear any fruit -- if Wilson plays well enough to earn a short extension, they'll move him. Only way he plays is if the iron man Wilson gets hurt or just simply falls off a cliff. But again, I'd rather have someone with his upside backing up than Mason/Mitch/Kenny.

          Everyone call me out on this if I backtrack, but I will still like these moves even if they don't work out.

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          • Joel Buchsbaum
            Legend
            • Jan 2021
            • 7744

            #6
            Originally posted by feltdizz
            I said it before and I will say it again. If it works this year Khan and Tomlin look like geniuses. If it doesn’t work, it could be the end for Tomlin.

            That isn’t really a risky assessment of the situation on my end.

            Also wouldn’t be mad if Penix dropped and we scooped him up in the second round.


            Pennix is not lasting until our pick in the 2nd round! Tomlin will be O-U-T in 2025. He will depart not having won a playoff game in 8 years and leaving the team empty at quarterback.

            Unless you " think " Wilson is the answer with his age and decline, or Fields is the one in ten first round " busts " which turns out to be good on another team, we better do something at Quarterback. The draft starts today, we will be on the clock around 10:45 PM Eastern time or sooner.

            Now they could be the answer but anyone with a brain can see the fools gold.
            Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

            Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

            *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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            • NorthCoast
              Legend
              • Sep 2008
              • 26640

              #7
              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
              Maybe only if Pickett tears it up elsewhere, which likely won't happen, especially if Hurts stays healthy. I love the swing for the fences -- the stars on D are aging, we're not starting a rebuild, we're trying to steal a championship in the next year or two and I'm all in for that.

              Wilson is a safe play, he performed on a worse team last year and seems rejuvenated in Pittsburgh. Smith's offense should be a much better fit than Payton's.

              Fields may never bear any fruit -- if Wilson plays well enough to earn a short extension, they'll move him. Only way he plays is if the iron man Wilson gets hurt or just simply falls off a cliff. But again, I'd rather have someone with his upside backing up than Mason/Mitch/Kenny.

              Everyone call me out on this if I backtrack, but I will still like these moves even if they don't work out.
              Pretty much agree with all points. The defensive window is rapidly closing as the DL will need rebuilt soon and Watt's next contract is looming (I'd consider a trade).

              Very low risk moves while they continue the search for the next franchise QB. Someone said the Steelers entire QB room only counts 2% against the cap. That is a ridiculous cap advantage even if the QBs turn out just average.

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              • Oviedo
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 23824

                #8
                The Steelers have better than they have had since Ben left. The team went out and improved the most important position on the team at minimal cost. That should be getting major kudos.
                Last edited by Oviedo; 04-25-2024, 07:52 AM.
                "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Flasteel
                  Some of the fans can see it? You don't know squat dude. It is the height of arrogance to think you know a fraction of what the front office or coaching staff knows. You peddle in opinions that are formed from nothing more than an amalgam of websites you've visited and a handful of plays you've watched from the other end of a screen.

                  You could be right that neither Wilson or Fields winds up panning out. But even that broken clock is right twice a day. For you to keep making these absolute proclamations and projecting failure based on your superior knowledge and insight is laughable. Almost as laughable as trading up inside the top 10 for a QB who is now projected to slide into Round Two.

                  How about you just wait and see what these guys look like on this team before you start forming opinions?
                  It's a message board and there are a "special" few who really believe they can be better than NFL front offices, but they just choose not to. It is laughable, but over the next few days we'll read the constant messages of everything the team did wrong, despite the fact they have 100x more information than can be found in open sources.
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • "BuzzNuter"
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Mar 2019
                    • 2166

                    #10
                    Jim Plunkett was a star at Oakland after washing out at New England. Steve Young played for Tampa I believe. Our own Johnny Unitas and Len Dawson. We also had Earl Morral before he was MVP. I haven't even googled others because my memory is lacking this morning.

                    There are many QBS who have gone on to success after washing out.

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                    • Eich
                      Legend
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 7079

                      #11
                      I think the Steelers see exactly what they have in these QBs. Extremely inexpensive experiments, while the search continues for an actual franchise QB.

                      I doubt either of these guys are the long-term answer. But what else were they going to do RIGHT NOW, if they didn't see Kenny or Mason as the answer? Paying a $100M guaranteed to Cousins doesn't seem like the right thing to do either, right?

                      Personally, I would have given Kenny/Mason another shot to compete and go all-in to fix the O-Line and add a weapon. But it seems highly likely that we're better off this year with Wilson. So, it's hard to argue that move. But wow, moving on from a first round draft pick QB so quickly is a very UN-Steelers-like move.
                      Last edited by Eich; 04-25-2024, 08:19 AM.

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                      • "BuzzNuter"
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Mar 2019
                        • 2166

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Eich
                        I think the Steelers see exactly what they have in these QBs. Extremely inexpensive experiments, while the search continues for an actual franchise QB.

                        I doubt either of these guys are the long-term answer. But what else were they going to do RIGHT NOW, if they didn't see Kenny or Mason as the answer? Paying a $100M guaranteed to Cousins doesn't seem like the right thing to do either, right?

                        Personally, I would have given Kenny/Mason another shot to compete and go all-in to fix the O-Line and add a weapon. But it seems highly likely that we're better off this year with Wilson. So, it's hard to argue that move. But wow, moving on from a first round draft pick QB so quickly is a very UN-Steelers-like move.
                        You're right, the Steelers are very unsteeler like this year. It looks like they are all in so to speak.

                        I think Wilson was too good to pass up. Kenny throwing it in like he did perhaps wasn't something they counted on but if he's got no guts then let him go.

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                        • T.Ferguson
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Sep 2021
                          • 2378

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Eich
                          I think the Steelers see exactly what they have in these QBs. Extremely inexpensive experiments, while the search continues for an actual franchise QB.

                          I doubt either of these guys are the long-term answer. But what else were they going to do RIGHT NOW, if they didn't see Kenny or Mason as the answer? Paying a $100M guaranteed to Cousins doesn't seem like the right thing to do either, right?

                          Personally, I would have given Kenny/Mason another shot to compete and go all-in to fix the O-Line and add a weapon. But it seems highly likely that we're better off this year with Wilson. So, it's hard to argue that move. But wow, moving on from a first round draft pick QB so quickly is a very UN-Steelers-like move.
                          To be fair the first round QB asked to be traded but also he asked to be traded arguably because of the way he was being treated/moves the team were making.

                          This year is all about winning a playoff game imo, which honestly is pretty silly but it is what it is. Rooney in the end calls the shots and we gotta live with it unfortunately as fans.

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27568

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                            Pennix is not lasting until our pick in the 2nd round! Tomlin will be O-U-T in 2025. He will depart not having won a playoff game in 8 years and leaving the team empty at quarterback.

                            Unless you " think " Wilson is the answer with his age and decline, or Fields is the one in ten first round " busts " which turns out to be good on another team, we better do something at Quarterback. The draft starts today, we will be on the clock around 10:45 PM Eastern time or sooner.

                            Now they could be the answer but anyone with a brain can see the fools gold.
                            Then we grab a QB in 2025 and start over.

                            We are all in on 2024 so drafting a QB at 20 or moving up for a QB like Nix is a terrible idea. Word is Nix is being viewed as a second rounder and backup QB around the league.

                            We shall see tonight if it holds true.
                            Steelers 27
                            Rats 16

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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27568

                              #15
                              Originally posted by "BuzzNuter"
                              You're right, the Steelers are very unsteeler like this year. It looks like they are all in so to speak.

                              I think Wilson was too good to pass up. Kenny throwing it in like he did perhaps wasn't something they counted on but if he's got no guts then let him go.
                              I think they knew Kenny would demand a trade once Wilson came in and was given pole position.

                              QB’s don’t stick around in those situations.

                              Also have to remember Khan wasn’t the GM who drafted Kenny so maybe he felt like he didn’t have time to waste. I still would’ve liked to see Kenny with a new offense before moving on but Russell Wilson’s at vet minimum was a Haley’s Comet type situation.

                              If this fails, its going to be a rough year for Tomlin and Khan regardless if Kenny plays in 2024 or not because he played 99% of the time with Canada as OC. If the offense still struggles with Russ and Fields then the question is if our scheme on offensive is outdated.
                              Steelers 27
                              Rats 16

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