"It Might Get Loud" for Tomlin

[feltdizz]

The time was after the 2017 season. A year after the locker room livestream fiasco, an embarrassing home loss and one and done.

yep, when most teams get a massive haul for a QB so they can reload.

We gambled and lost.

Saints did the same thing with Brees which is why Payton bailed after he retired.

[whatever]

I?ve been saying it for years, now the national media is too.
Our goal is .500
Tomlins fans goal is .500
Tomlins regular season record makes his post season failures that much worse.
Tomlin fans will happy with a playoff win this year and proclaim his greatness.
The fact will still remain that only 4 years out of 18 had a playoff win.
Not too impressive.

[feltdizz]

I?ve been saying it for years, now the national media is too.
Our goal is .500
Tomlins fans goal is .500
Tomlins regular season record makes his post season failures that much worse.
Tomlin fans will happy with a playoff win this year and proclaim his greatness.
The fact will still remain that only 4 years out of 18 had a playoff win.
Not too impressive.

Why in the hell would a Tomlin fan’s goal be .500? That makes no sense.

If anything its what Tomlin haters want. .500 without a playoff win is a Tomlin haters dream.

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Why in the hell would a Tomlin fan’s goal be .500? That makes no sense.

If anything its what Tomlin haters want. .500 without a playoff win is a Tomlin haters dream.

Wrong.
Tomlin haters want him gone regardless of the record.
Tomlin fans love saying ‘he’s never had a losing season’.

[Captain Lemming]

I?ve been saying it for years, now the national media is too.
Our goal is .500
Tomlins fans goal is .500
Tomlins regular season record makes his post season failures that much worse.
Tomlin fans will happy with a playoff win this year and proclaim his greatness.
The fact will still remain that only 4 years out of 18 had a playoff win.
Not too impressive.

Sorry but the term is STEELER fans. Steeler fans want the CURRENT players and coaches to have success.

If you are not rooting for that you are not a Steeler fan.

[whatever]

Sorry but the term is STEELER fans. Steeler fans want the CURRENT players and coaches to have success.

If you are not rooting for that you are not a Steeler fan.

That may be sorta true but constantly defending a team and coach that has failed miserably in the post season (since cowhers players and coaches ), is settling for.500
Wanting success without wanting a change is ridiculous.

Do you really think the next Steelers HC would do worse than Tomlin in the postseason?

[Northern_Blitz]

The OL was not okay. Once we faced better defenses Mason had fumbles and passes deflected at the OL because our Center kept getting handled.

Jones is young and learning but he was whiffing in pass protection. He will get better but our pass protection was nothing special last year.

The fumbles (which were bad) were likely more due to the weather and Mason vs. the OL IMO.

I agree they weren't a special OL. Which is why I said the OL was OK.

[feltdizz]

Wrong.
Tomlin haters want him gone regardless of the record.
Tomlin fans love saying ?he?s never had a losing season?.

to suggest they would love to say it more than another SB or deep playoff run is hilarious.

Its like those who suggest all Tomlin and Rooney want is a winning record and nothing more.

again, .500 is the floor for Tomlin but no one who is a ?Tomlin fan? wants that to be his ceiling.

[feltdizz]

The fumbles (which were bad) were likely more due to the weather and Mason vs. the OL IMO.

I agree they weren't a special OL. Which is why I said the OL was OK.

He wasn’t fumbling snaps because they were slippery.

He was being hit by defenders when he fumbled.

[feltdizz]

That may be sorta true but constantly defending a team and coach that has failed miserably in the post season (since cowhers players and coaches ), is settling for.500
Wanting success without wanting a change is ridiculous.

Do you really think the next Steelers HC would do worse than Tomlin in the postseason?

yes, the next head coach could miss the playoffs year after year.

We have been successful with 3 straight head coaches but that doesn’t mean we can’t miss on one.

but I’m also at the end of my rope and have no problems admitting a .500 season isn’t the goal and we can’t keep making excuses for his playoff failures. I fear he is aging out like Billicheat and the game as he knows it is gone.

When we could knock the snot out of teams we had an advantage. Now that we can’t punish teams we haven’t adjusted and we surely haven’t figured out how to take advantage of rule changes on offense.

[whatever]

to suggest they would love to say it more than another SB or deep playoff run is hilarious.

Its like those who suggest all Tomlin and Rooney want is a winning record and nothing more.

again, .500 is the floor for Tomlin but no one who is a ?Tomlin fan? wants that to be his ceiling.

Once again, wanting Tomlin to succeed in the post season and acknowledging that 13 out 17 years was without a playoff win, is two different things.
Seeing that you guys and rooney are happy with Tomlin and .500 with the ‘hope’ of a playoff win is good enough.
I’ll ask you also. I don’t expect an honest answer but I’ll give you another chance.
Do you think the next Steelers HC would do worse than Tomlin has in the post season?

[Northern_Blitz]

The time was after the 2017 season. A year after the locker room livestream fiasco, an embarrassing home loss and one and done.

I think that's not unreasonable from just a football standpoint.

Although it probably would have led to a pretty massive tank because of the cap (and Rooney wouldn't ever do that IMO).

I think this would have been close to the middle of the extension Ben signed in 2015, so the cap consequences may have been crippling because of all the can kicking we'd done to get other guys under the cap at that point.

We could have just walked away from Bell with no compensation (outside of a potential comp pick) because that was after his 1st franchise tag (we tagged him again and ate that number on the cap all year because he didn't play).

Walking away from AB at the end of 2017 would have been even more painful cap wise than it was walking away from him at the end of 2018 (I think we ate $20M of dead cap?). He just signed a big extension at the beginning of 2017.

I don't think we could have had much of a team if we ate the dead money from getting rid of Ben and Brown in 2017. I don't know their exact contract situations, but my guess is that the dead cap in that case would be something like $40M or more (I think we'd have the same dead money with Brown plus maybe a remnant from his previous SB, then with Ben...something probably bigger than that...but I don't know how much had been kicked ahead at that point).

[whatever]

I see you replied to my question to capt. while I was typing to you

[whatever]

yes, the next head coach could miss the playoffs year after year.

We have been successful with 3 straight head coaches but that doesn’t mean we can’t miss on one.

but I’m also at the end of my rope and have no problems admitting a .500 season isn’t the goal and we can’t keep making excuses for his playoff failures. I fear he is aging out like Billicheat and the game as he knows it is gone.

When we could knock the snot out of teams we had an advantage. Now that we can’t punish teams we haven’t adjusted and we surely haven’t figured out how to take advantage of rule changes on offense.

You think 4 seasons out of 17 with a playoff win isn’t obtainable by the next HC?

[Northern_Blitz]

He wasn’t fumbling snaps because they were slippery.

He was being hit by defenders when he fumbled.

There were 8 total fumbles in the game. My guess is that's a good deal more than most NFL games.

Rudolph certainly was hit. And him not controlling the ball is on him. And the balls were in terrible condition. So I don't know how you can say that didn't make a difference between him holding on to them or fumbling them.

Especially since there were so many fumbles in the game.