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seems you didn't read and came back with the same old arguments for arguments sake... pause for a second and absorb what I'm saying.
I'm not talking stats. I'm not talking smart play. Career length or any of that. Hell, I even credited LeBeau (so you WOULDN'T regurgitate the same argument)
I'm simply saying Ben had a super power and BA didn't reign it in like the other guys. THAT'S IT.
Can we agree on that much?2013 MNF Executive Champion!Comment
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The Arians/sack mythology is just that. Ben took 72 sacks his last two years with Bruce. His first two with Haley?
72 sacks.
The sacks started to really come down when Bell started to blossom, easy check down. Ben was his own worst enemy re: taking hits. Wasn't a film study guy, loved to extend plays.Comment
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In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:
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fine... let's go there...
If you wanna dig into the other argument, tell me, how far did LeBeau's defenses get in the playoffs without BA on the other side?
2010 with Arians, 12-4, lost super bowl
2011 with Arians, 12-4
2012 with Haley, they went 8-8
2013 with Haley, they went 8-8
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Didn?t our D with Lebeau fall off after the SB loss which is why we finally moved on from him?
Anyways, I always said BA had the perfect offense for a team with a great defense. Those RUTFM were boring but it set up those PA bombs lovely. Those offenses were not that good but they were GREAT at delivering knockout blows.Steelers 27
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Oh please, you so funny.
This is like saying fast Willie was better than Troy or Ben.
Fast Willie won EVERY POSTSEASON GAME HE EVER PLAYED IN.
They could never win a single championship without him.
Trying to make the case that Lebeau needed Arians to win?
Did we forget the win with Arians was THE THIRD defense Lebeau led to the SB?
But yes, use TEAM SUCCESS being carried by a dominant ALREADY CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING defense to make the case he was a good coordinator. Sure can?t make a case using actual SCORING.
Arians was an awesome OC in the same way the 2000 Ravens or the 2002 Bucs OCs were. Champions bro.
The team began declining when Lebeau stopped producing elite defenses. Nothing to do with an offense that SCORED MORE in 2013 than Arians championship offense.
Ya know Deville?
I think it is time for you to:
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Three Steelers OCs have been to the SB since the 70s Steelers.
Two Steelers head coaches have been to the SB since the 70s Steelers.
ONE DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR tied them all together.
The ONE MAN not named Rooney, who was a key figure in EVERY post 70s Steeler SB including 95.
Arians and his weak offenses do not deserve HALF of his shine.Last edited by Captain Lemming; 02-21-2024, 08:27 PM.sigpic
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Yes to this. And also this:
LeBeau's defense was built to defend the traditional dropback passer. The shotgun gives the QB an extra half second to survey the defense. And also the rule change in 2009 that limited low hits on the QB changed how defenses rushed the passer.The 2011 collective bargaining agreement (CBA) put game-changing limitations on the intensity and amount of offseason workouts and in-season practice. Teams are limited to a nine-week offseason program and can require players to attend only one three-day minicamp. There is a cap of 10 on-field offseason workouts, and traditional two-a-day training camp practices are banned.
During the season, teams can have only 14 full-pads practices. Players love the freedom and gladly take on the responsibility for their own conditioning. But coaches say they don't have enough time to teach fundamentals, or to train offensive linemen and quarterbacks, in particular. That sentiment has not curbed an accelerating trend of keeping veteran players out of preseason games, a practice that will likely lead to a reduction in preseason games when owners enact their option to expand to a 17-game regular season, if not before.
The 2020 CBA added additional parameters to summer training camp. Teams are limited to 16 padded practices. They are also required to hold a five-day acclimation period at the start of camp. No practice can last more than 2.5 hours, and players can't spend more than a total of four hours per day on the field.
7. Offenses mimicking college
NFL coaches are embracing the spread concepts that have consumed high school and college football, in part by necessity given the limited practice time they would have to retrofit young players to traditional pro schemes.
That has meant a rise in shotgun snaps from 56% of total plays at the beginning of the decade to 79% at the end. It has led to a 36% rise in rushing yards by quarterbacks and a 13% drop in rushing yards by running backs. The average pass is traveling 6% fewer yards downfield. Completion percentage has risen from 60.5% to 64%, in part because there has been a 17% rise in receptions by running backs. Teams still throw more than they run, a longstanding response to league rules that continue to incentivize it, but the path to get there is much different.
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The fact that we won both SB’s with Ben when he only threw 17 TD’s both years is a clear tell that Defense was a big part of our success.
Doesn’t mean it gets all the credit but that is a low number of passing TD’s for a SB winning team.Steelers 27
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