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Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 02-01-2024, 07:20 AM.Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.
Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.
*** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. *** -
Mason
Mason Rudolph stats in his last 4 QB starts, extrapolated for a 16 game season.
NFL QB passer rating = 107.75
Passing yards = 237 yards per game or 3,792 yards for a 16 game season.
TD 's thrown 24
Int's thrown 4
Sacks taken 24 for a 16 games season.
And this is having 3 of 4 games on the road, two of which were bad passing days due to the weather vs. good competition! Trend the numbers up a bit for a 17 game season!
Key would be 3rd and 4th down conversion rates which is good for Rudolph. I don't have that data to extrapolate.
This is a big enough sample size and it shows Mason is a QB1, better than half of the NFL starting QB's..
How good I won't say. He could be a top 10 NFL Qb. He is in his prime, and 100% healthy. We better re-sign him. 2 years for 40 million dollars with a good third year option ought to do it. Then he should stay.
Feel better now?Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 02-08-2024, 05:24 PM.Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.
Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.
*** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. *** -
Extrapolation of small samples tends to be dangerous.
But it's encouraging.
Especially since this sample includes that game against the Rats where the weather was just terrible and not really a good day for passing the ball.
Hopefully he's at least a capable backup.
Even if Kenny is the starter, his injury history suggests we'll need a backup that can come in and play.Comment
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To be fair:
Seattle was 21st, Cincy was 28th in passing defense, Baltimore rested players and against buffalo , he threw it 39 times for those stats.How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?Comment
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Yeah, I don't think you can assume he would have the same kind of numbers over a season
still
when he came in, the pickup was noticeable
and it seemed to me the players responded better to his leadership (I know that last thing is somewhat subjective, but it's an important quality)Comment
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He did not play any cream puffs on the schedule. His stats were damped by the weather. Otherwise even his naysayers would say he would have done even better. I too would have liked to have seen more, but Tomlin had him as QB3 for all but the last 4 games.
Put it to you this way he is in the top 16 QB's for sure. And I would say based on his last 4 games he is a top 14 QB. Maybe even top 8-10. We can win a playoff game with him. And if built right with the cap and draft maybe even that game played in February. IMO, we are 3 players away, all three of which can be obtained in the draft in picks 1 + 2 and from another team in free agency with one 22 million dollar plus player If THEY PAN out. I won't share this info until the senior bowl ends.Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 01-31-2024, 08:23 PM.Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.
Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.
*** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***Comment
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Let's hope his new team appreciates that, he has no place in Arthur Smith's system.Comment
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Hey now. Smith, Garoppolo and Tannehill all made well over 25M a year, but you think Mason is not going get paid anywhere near 20 Million a year? You really do not know this QB market. A player like Jones makes 40M a year.
Last edited by papillon; 01-31-2024, 10:02 PM.Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.
Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.
*** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***Comment
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No one looks at Cincinnati or Seattle and thinks juggernaut. Those weren’t good teams. Beating a Ravens team that sat starters is also not that impressive. Yes, it was raining hard but isn’t enough to push the needle to $20 Mill.
Doesn’t matter what Tannehil and Jimmy G got paid. They had different circumstances that led to their paydays.Steelers 27
Rats 16Comment
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Says you. There are many teams that Rudolph can start on. Lower end value of a 5 year + veteran that is a QB1 I showed you. I did not say he is a top 10 QB, I said he can be. Based on his play in the last 4 games, he is a top 14 QB.
Good point that Rudolph only has 14 starts. He can get a bit better with more starts.Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.
Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.
*** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***Comment
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I think it might be possible for him...if he plays very well and shows that he's a clear cut starter on whatever "prove it" contract he signs this off season. But the contract he signs this summer won't be anywhere near $20M IMO.
It's true that high end QB salaries are super high. But there's no real middle class here (i.e. the drop in QB salaries is not linear).
There are currently 19 QBs in the league with an AAV > $20M. And there are only three QBs who are in the $20-30M range (Tannehill, Smith, Garoppolo).
After Jimmy G ($24.5), the drop off is pretty big. Love @ $13.5 (45% drop in salary from 19th QB to 20th). then Young at $9.5 (30% drop in salary from 20th to 21).
So, 19 guys over $20M. 1 guy between 10M and 20M. Everyone else below $9.5M (and not a lot of guys between $5M and $9.5M either).
I think it's possible that Mason will get into the $5M - $10M range. Especially if the contract is reported at a total value including "not likely to be earned" incentives. But he could also be in the sub-$5M range too. And even that is a 5x increase in salary for him.
I think Mason should get a shot at competing for the starting job on our team.
But I don't think anyone is going to pay him to be in the top 20 QB in the league. If they do, we have to let him walk. And if my team offered to pay Mason $20M / season, I'd want the GM fired.
Source: https://overthecap.com/position/quarterbackLast edited by Northern_Blitz; 02-01-2024, 11:28 AM.Comment
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That isn't reality, Rudolph only has 14 starts in 5 years for a reason. The Steelers spent a 1st round pick on a QB with Rudolph already on the roster for a reason. Rudolph had to re-sign with the Steelers for a 1 year deal knowing he would be 3rd string for a reason. You can keep pointing to the 4 games even though they don't mean what you think they mean, but the reality is that Rudolph is not being looked at as a starter.Comment
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