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  • whatever
    Legend
    • Sep 2019
    • 5795

    A closer look at our 10-7 season

    3 wins were against a team with a better record than us.
    Of those 3:
    2 they were 1 win better and the other they were 4 games better(that was the Baltimore forfeit game)
    3 wins were against the same number of wins as us(1 being the opener where both teams were 0-0)
    4 wins were against worse records than us.
    Of those 4:
    2 we were 2 games better and 2 we were 1 games better.

    6 wins came against veteran starting qbs
    4 wins came against rookie or back up qbs.

    Out of the 7 losses:
    3 were against non rookie starters
    3 were against back up and
    1 was against a rookie qb.

    1 loss was against a team with a better record.
    3 were against teams with the same record as us.
    3 were against teams with worse records than us .
    Out of those 3 losses, one was by 1 game worse and 2 by teams that were 5 games worse than us.

    I personally think we had only:
    3 good wins
    3 ok wins
    4 bad wins

    2 good losses
    2 ok losses
    3 bad losses.

    These records are based on when the games were played and not records at the end of the season but I?m not so sure the bad wins and losses change that much.
    How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?
  • Buzz
    Legend
    • Dec 2017
    • 8379

    #2
    regardless of this, it's pretty clear, we were a weak playoff team, on a level below the true contenders

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    • BURGH86STEEL
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 6921

      #3
      Originally posted by Buzz
      regardless of this, it's pretty clear, we were a weak playoff team, on a level below the true contenders
      There are a couple of "true contenders" out of the post season.

      I'd never suggest the Steelers were not true contenders. The Steelers made the post season. The Steelers didn't take care of the ball and didn't tackle well enough. The Steelers loss. What's the Eagles, Browns, and Cowboys excuses? Game by game?

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      • Joel Buchsbaum
        Legend
        • Jan 2021
        • 7744

        #4
        Originally posted by whatever
        3 wins were against a team with a better record than us.
        Of those 3:
        2 they were 1 win better and the other they were 4 games better(that was the Baltimore forfeit game)
        3 wins were against the same number of wins as us(1 being the opener where both teams were 0-0)
        4 wins were against worse records than us.
        Of those 4:
        2 we were 2 games better and 2 we were 1 games better.

        6 wins came against veteran starting qbs
        4 wins came against rookie or back up qbs.

        Out of the 7 losses:
        3 were against non rookie starters
        3 were against back up and
        1 was against a rookie qb.

        1 loss was against a team with a better record.
        3 were against teams with the same record as us.
        3 were against teams with worse records than us .
        Out of those 3 losses, one was by 1 game worse and 2 by teams that were 5 games worse than us.

        I personally think we had only:
        3 good wins
        3 ok wins
        4 bad wins

        2 good losses
        2 ok losses
        3 bad losses.

        These records are based on when the games were played and not records at the end of the season but I?m not so sure the bad wins and losses change that much.


        Draw a line of Pickett and Trubisky starting and Rudolph starting.


        There is a difference.
        Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

        Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

        *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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        • BURGH86STEEL
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6921

          #5
          Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
          Draw a line of Pickett and Trubisky starting and Rudolph starting.


          There is a difference.
          I told you folks it's a game by game basis.

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          • Captain Lemming
            Legend
            • Jun 2008
            • 16041

            #6
            Originally posted by Buzz
            regardless of this, it's pretty clear, we were a weak playoff team, on a level below the true contenders
            This is true.
            But as a rebuilding team that almost universally was projected to be 4th place and NOT make the playoffs I did not expect to be SB contenders this season.

            The fact that we lost our three best players for stretches, started linebackers and safeties off the street because those positions were decimated, and had some of the league’s least productive QB play with an unproven QB, Id suggest the team greatly overachieved to wind up being a weak playoff team.
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            In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

            TCFCLTC-
            The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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            • Steelwolf
              Pro Bowler
              • Jul 2014
              • 1294

              #7
              Originally posted by whatever
              3 wins were against a team with a better record than us.
              Of those 3:
              2 they were 1 win better and the other they were 4 games better(that was the Baltimore forfeit game)
              3 wins were against the same number of wins as us(1 being the opener where both teams were 0-0)
              4 wins were against worse records than us.
              Of those 4:
              2 we were 2 games better and 2 we were 1 games better.

              6 wins came against veteran starting qbs
              4 wins came against rookie or back up qbs.

              Out of the 7 losses:
              3 were against non rookie starters
              3 were against back up and
              1 was against a rookie qb.

              1 loss was against a team with a better record.
              3 were against teams with the same record as us.
              3 were against teams with worse records than us .
              Out of those 3 losses, one was by 1 game worse and 2 by teams that were 5 games worse than us.

              I personally think we had only:
              3 good wins
              3 ok wins
              4 bad wins

              2 good losses
              2 ok losses
              3 bad losses.

              These records are based on when the games were played and not records at the end of the season but I?m not so sure the bad wins and losses change that much.
              Lol at this point any person saw that this team didn't have the nut to advance. I'd be lying if I said I'd like to see half this team back next year. We can officially say there's always next year like the browns and most seem ok with this because we didn't have a losing season. This team lived in its fears as Tomlin would say

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              • BURGH86STEEL
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 6921

                #8
                Originally posted by Steelwolf
                Lol at this point any person saw that this team didn't have the nut to advance. I'd be lying if I said I'd like to see half this team back next year. We can officially say there's always next year like the browns and most seem ok with this because we didn't have a losing season. This team lived in its fears as Tomlin would say
                You didn't pay attention to how this team fought. I will leave it at that.

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                • BURGH86STEEL
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 6921

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                  This is true.
                  But as a rebuilding team that almost universally was projected to be 4th place and NOT make the playoffs I did not expect to be SB contenders this season.

                  The fact that we lost our three best players for stretches, started linebackers and safeties off the street because those positions were decimated, and had some of the league?s least productive QB play with an unproven QB, Id suggest the team greatly overachieved to wind up being a weak playoff team.
                  Game by game basis. Learn from your Jedi Master.

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                  • whatever
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2019
                    • 5795

                    #10
                    I’m not sure how anyone can look at this and say we are close to being good.
                    Our starting, 2nd and 3rd qbs are interchangeable.
                    Qb is not an excuse for us.
                    We were as lucky as lucky gets with this season. Play it again with opponents starters and we probably go 7-10. Maybe.
                    How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                    • Joel Buchsbaum
                      Legend
                      • Jan 2021
                      • 7744

                      #11
                      Originally posted by whatever
                      I’m not sure how anyone can look at this and say we are close to being good.
                      Our starting, 2nd and 3rd qbs are interchangeable.
                      Qb is not an excuse for us.
                      We were as lucky as lucky gets with this season. Play it again with opponents starters and we probably go 7-10. Maybe.
                      I disagee. Rudolph has made Pickens as top 5 NFL receiver. Johnson is a decent #2 WR and 'Muth a decent TE. Combine this with Warrens running and big play ability, and the foundation of a good OL with Jones and Seumalo ... we got a good offense. Rudolph at QB and his quick QB mind and going through 2-3 men quickly which features good accuracy and timing and a the velocity need to throw it medium to deep are the key. Our kicker is money.

                      We need better head coaching and a better OC.

                      We have some holes on the OL, some over paid players the OL.

                      But over all I fell good about the offense.

                      If we play the season again, we go 11-6 to 12 - 5. I honestly believe that.
                      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                      • WindyCitySteel
                        Legend
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 15684

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                        This is true.
                        But as a rebuilding team that almost universally was projected to be 4th place and NOT make the playoffs I did not expect to be SB contenders this season.
                        And they'll be right back in the same spot this coming season -- took 7-8 years to rebuild the defense after 2010, now they're rebuilding the offense at the same pace while the defense ages and begins to unravel. By 2026 or 2027 the O will be back and the D will be a sieve, but hopefully no losing seasons!

                        The Steeler Way is dead.
                        Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 01-21-2024, 10:09 AM.

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                        • whatever
                          Legend
                          • Sep 2019
                          • 5795

                          #13
                          I think the whole concept of ‘rebuilding ‘ is ridiculous.
                          EVERY team rebuilds every year.
                          The average nfl career is just over 3 years.
                          The average team turnover rate is 25% each year.

                          Now if a team focuses on 1 specific area, such as oline, and they keep 1or 2, get 1 or 2 good players in FA and spend a couple high draft picks on oline, then I would say the team ‘rebuilt’ the oline.
                          Adding a decent player in FA, keeping a good one and a decent one and then and then drafting a couple mid to late and hope they turn out isn’t ‘rebuilding’ in my opinion.
                          How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                          • whatever
                            Legend
                            • Sep 2019
                            • 5795

                            #14
                            Ok. I went back to check final season records for comparison.

                            We had 3 wins against teams with better records (one of them being the Baltimore forfeit game)
                            1 win against a team with the same record
                            6 wins against worse record teams.

                            Our 7 losses consisted of
                            2 losses to better records
                            1 loss to same record
                            4 losses to worse records.
                            How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                            • NorthCoast
                              Legend
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 26636

                              #15
                              The projected strength of schedule (based on vegas win totals) was 19th in the NFL for the Steelers. The actual played strength of schedule based on win totals ended up 5th toughest in the NFL. (Bengals had the #1 toughest schedule played)

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