A Comparison of Steeler QBs

[NorthCoast]

I was holding off on posting this until the end of the season but it looks unlikely that it will change between now and then (at least for Pickett).

If you are not familiar, elo is the defunct fivethirtyeight QB rating method that is similar to QBR but not on 0-100 scale. They also devised a way to adjust ratings to make comparisons over eras more valid (the rating is adjusted vs NFL avgs for the week played).

Here's a comparison of a few Steeler QBs. I'm afraid to say that KP is looking kinda Bubby-like in the early part of his career.

(Didn't want the plot to look like spaghetti but I also took a look at Cliff Stoudt's ratings. He was actually better than Bubby and Pickett. I've mentioned KP being Ryan Tannehill like early in his career and the curves are virtually identical. If there is another QB comparison you are interested in let me know and I'll check the data).

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[Eich]

It's interesting to see the comparison but IMO, it's not fair to Kenny. We paired him with Canada and one of the least intelligent, simple, predictable JV offenses in the league.

[Chucktownsteeler]

It's interesting to see the comparison but IMO, it's not fair to Kenny. We paired him with Canada and one of the least intelligent, simple, predictable JV offenses in the league.

That I agree with and also different ERAs of football altogether.

[Northern_Blitz]

I was holding off on posting this until the end of the season but it looks unlikely that it will change between now and then (at least for Pickett).

If you are not familiar, elo is the defunct fivethirtyeight QB rating method that is similar to QBR but not on 0-100 scale. They also devised a way to adjust ratings to make comparisons over eras more valid (the rating is adjusted vs NFL avgs for the week played).

Here's a comparison of a few Steeler QBs. I'm afraid to say that KP is looking kinda Bubby-like in the early part of his career.

(Didn't want the plot to look like spaghetti but I also took a look at Cliff Stoudt's ratings. He was actually better than Bubby and Pickett. I've mentioned KP being Ryan Tannehill like early in his career and the curves are virtually identical. If there is another QB comparison you are interested in let me know and I'll check the data).

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And if your answer was "all our QBs are bad" congrats! Note: I'm making the assumption here that negative number are indeed bad.

This stat agree with the eye test for the three guys on our roster anyway.

[NorthCoast]

That I agree with and also different ERAs of football altogether.

Did you read the note on how rating is adjusted for era by considering NFL averages for the week played?

Nobody wants to believe KP ain't the guy but I was shocked watching backup Browning's play last night. Not just the stats but his cool demeanor in the pocket was such a contrast with what we see from Pickett who always seems in a panic at the snap.

So you think it's the OC? Is Mac Jones a good QB being held back by a bad OC? (remember, Jones had a DC calling plays last season!)


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[Chucktownsteeler]

Did you read the note on how rating is adjusted for era by considering NFL averages for the week played?

Nobody wants to believe KP ain't the guy but I was shocked watching backup Browning's play last night. Not just the stats but his cool demeanor in the pocket was such a contrast with what we see from Pickett who always seems in a panic at the snap.

So you think it's the OC? Is Mac Jones a good QB being held back by a bad OC? (remember, Jones had a DC calling plays last season!)


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No, I did not see that. Apologizes, I am human.

I did watch most of the game last night until I dozed off. Other than that Tyler Boyd pass both offenses looked really good, especially the WRs. Wonder if you put KP8 on a team with real coaches how he would do?

We will see if Mitch comes in and does well it may be Kenny. But if he follows suit of Ben, Mason, and Duck in Canada's abortion we will know this entire offensive scheme needs tossed.

[NorthCoast]

Wonder if you put KP8 on a team with real coaches how he would do?

We will see if Mitch comes in and does well it may be Kenny. But if he follows suit of Ben, Mason, and Duck in Canada's abortion we will know this entire offensive scheme needs tossed.

The only thing making me skeptical of KP being different with a different team is that there are already plays he could be making on this team today that he just isn't making. Dunno. Maybe the change in scenery would do him some good? Maybe the pressure of hometown hero has gotten to him?

[Chucktownsteeler]

The only thing making me skeptical of KP being different with a different team is that there are already plays he could be making on this team today that he just isn't making. Dunno. Maybe the change in scenery would do him some good? Maybe the pressure of hometown hero has gotten to him?

I think Tomlin and Co. have him mind f*cked right now. There is not a QB 9th grade and up that won't throw to an open WR, especially in the RZ.

[Eich]

Nobody wants to believe KP ain't the guy but I was shocked watching backup Browning's play last night. Not just the stats but his cool demeanor in the pocket was such a contrast with what we see from Pickett who always seems in a panic at the snap.r

Yeah, Browning looked good and confident.

32-of-37 for 354 yards with a TD and zero turnovers for a 115.5 passer rating and scored a rushing touchdown. The next time Kenny turns in a performance like that, will be the first.

But sometimes, backup QBs look that way until teams learn their tendencies and find ways to exploit. But he does look like a good QB in the making. If he plays out the season strong, I wonder what'll happen to him once Burrow comes back?

[Northern_Blitz]

I think Tomlin and Co. have him mind f*cked right now. There is not a QB 9th grade and up that won't throw to an open WR, especially in the RZ.

But what's the evidence that he was good before?

I think "college QB isn't good enough to be an average QB in the NFL" is the far more likely explanation than "great QB destroyed by coaching from a vet NFL coach with strong record of success".

[Chucktownsteeler]

But what's the evidence that he was good before?

I think "college QB isn't good enough to be an average QB in the NFL" is the far more likely explanation than "great QB destroyed by coaching from a vet NFL coach with strong record of success".

He looked confident and capable the last part of last season. I won't even include the preseason.

I can't believe a QB will see wide open WRs not not throw the ball to them. It lacks any common sense or believability. Heck, he is not even attempting to throw to them.

[feltdizz]

He looked confident and capable the last part of last season. I won't even include the preseason.

I can't believe a QB will see wide open WRs not not throw the ball to them. It lacks any common sense or believability. Heck, he is not even attempting to throw to them.

He’a not seeing them. Almost
feels like we are just trying to throw to the right side of the end zone. Weird how he rarely looks left when its usually where the open WR is located.

[Chucktownsteeler]

He’a not seeing them. Almost
feels like we are just trying to throw to the right side of the end zone. Weird how he rarely looks left when its usually where the open WR is located.

I agree, it just makes no sense. I read his bio he has been a QB since middle school, he knows the position. I am thinking this is mental, more than physical, but why?

I remember Chuck Knoblach (MLB) played 2nd base for years. Late in his career he couldn't make the throw to first base on a routine grounder. Some sort of mental block.

[Northern_Blitz]

He looked confident and capable the last part of last season. I won't even include the preseason.

I can't believe a QB will see wide open WRs not not throw the ball to them. It lacks any common sense or believability. Heck, he is not even attempting to throw to them.

I think based on his whole body of work, this is us getting fooled by small samples.

He did have a beautiful drive against the Rats.

I think he's good to very good if he has time. This season, I think teams know that and are blitzing him more. But I don't have the data.

Looking back at that Rats game, it looks to me like they decided not to blitz in that drive. Or at least we picked it up better if they did. Except the Najee throw...which was absolutely a beautiful*. Note that KP still did his patented spin to the left move with no pressure earlier in that drive (go to ~ 0:25). Just there wasn't a defender for him to spin in to. I don't think he's different in that drive than he is now.

https://www.steelers.com/video/highlights-game-winning-drive-vs-the-ravens

* Note that on this play there's a beautiful pocket for him to step up into. But he does try to escape to the left into the defender thing here too (but doesn't turn his back on the play). He able to evade that guy (who pulls out his shoulder pad). And he makes the play here (beautiful throw!) instead of taking the hit.

[feltdizz]

I think based on his whole body of work, this is us getting fooled by small samples.

He did have a beautiful drive against the Rats.

I think he's good to very good if he has time. This season, I think teams know that and are blitzing him more. But I don't have the data.

Looking back at that Rats game, it looks to me like they decided not to blitz in that drive. Or at least we picked it up better if they did. Except the Najee throw...which was absolutely a beautiful*. Note that KP still did his patented spin to the left move with no pressure earlier in that drive (go to ~ 0:25). Just there wasn't a defender for him to spin in to. I don't think he's different in that drive than he is now.

https://www.steelers.com/video/highlights-game-winning-drive-vs-the-ravens

* Note that on this play there's a beautiful pocket for him to step up into. But he does try to escape to the left into the defender thing here too (but doesn't turn his back on the play). He able to evade that guy (who pulls out his shoulder pad). And he makes the play here (beautiful throw!) instead of taking the hit.

the problem is the amount of games he has left to injury. Pretty sure we have lost all but one game where he left with an injury.

That is A LOT of games missed in 25 starts and he has yet to really have a game with serious stats and I think all but one the score was close.

He’a losing chances to change minds and a large reason why is because he isn’t seeing the field.