Pickett has just one TD pass in his last six games

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Finally, I think there is some attitude things going on with DJ and to a certain extent Pickens.

I could be wrong, and I am going on gut, but I just see more of a spark in other teams WR's...

Brothervad

I see some attitude from both, but two different ends of the spectrum.

DJ seems like a me first diva. He has the talent, but he wants to look good doing it.

I think that Pickens wants the ball just as badly because he thinks he can make the play and catch any ball thrown his way. I think that he holds himself to a very high standard, whereas I think DJ holds everyone else to a very high standard.

[NorthCoast]

I see some attitude from both, but two different ends of the spectrum.

DJ seems like a me first diva. He has the talent, but he wants to look good doing it.

I think that Pickens wants the ball just as badly because he thinks he can make the play and catch any ball thrown his way. I think that he holds himself to a very high standard, whereas I think DJ holds everyone else to a very high standard.

Agreed. Any player that celebrates a TD the way he did with his team down multiple scores is only thinking of himself, not his team.

OT; number of QBs that have had only 1 game with multiple TDs in his first 24 starts = 1.... (you guess the QB).

[Northern_Blitz]

I see some attitude from both, but two different ends of the spectrum.

DJ seems like a me first diva. He has the talent, but he wants to look good doing it.

I think that Pickens wants the ball just as badly because he thinks he can make the play and catch any ball thrown his way. I think that he holds himself to a very high standard, whereas I think DJ holds everyone else to a very high standard.

I don't think he's a diva (at least not more than any good WR). But I do think he's getting tired of the lack of passing offense. I hate the WTF shrugs back to the sideline that O'Sullivan pointed out, but I think that's just him saying "I can't catch these balls". I don't think Mitch is a better QB than Kenny. But I don't know if Kenny throws an accurate on time ball to DJ on that garbage time TD. Although he does seem to be OK if he isn't pressured, so maybe.

I think after the social media freak out with Pickens, he just started marking the days until he can leave.

But that's all just speculation.

[brothervad]

I often take Gerry Dulac's inside sources with a grain of salt...

But according to his reporting the Steelers were considering a QB change after the Cleveland debacle. However, chose to replace the OC.

So it may not be that far off that the Steelers will consider a QB competition next year.

I was intrigued by the Cook & Joe show talking about would you trade TJ to get into the upper tier of #1 picks?

I know most here will be an absolute no...but he is 29 and won't get you any more value than he has right now.

The one thing (outside of the GOAT) that Bill Belichek would do is part with guys for picks before they reached past their prime. Love TJ but I also have to believe the Steelers are getting no closer to a playoff win with what they have on the other side of the ball.

Getting in the top 3 is worth considering at this point. Hell you might even get a couple of #1's similar to the Khalil Mack trade (although he was only 26 at the time).

Brothervad

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I often take Gerry Dulac's inside sources with a grain of salt...

But according to his reporting the Steelers were considering a QB change after the Cleveland debacle. However, chose to replace the OC.

So it may not be that far off that the Steelers will consider a QB competition next year.

I was intrigued by the Cook & Joe show talking about would you trade TJ to get into the upper tier of #1 picks?

I know most here will be an absolute no...but he is 29 and won't get you any more value than he has right now.

The one thing (outside of the GOAT) that Bill Belichek would do is part with guys for picks before they reached past their prime. Love TJ but I also have to believe the Steelers are getting no closer to a playoff win with what they have on the other side of the ball.

Getting in the top 3 is worth considering at this point. Hell you might even get a couple of #1's similar to the Khalil Mack trade (although he was only 26 at the time).

Brothervad

We won't get much for a DJ trade.

#1 His cap number is very high.

#2. His production is very low for a #1 WR, and nothing but average for a #2 WR

#3. He is a diva.


IMO this makes DJ nearly impossible to trade. Getting a high pick for DJ is a pipe dream. We may have to cut him, or take a late round pick at best.

[brothervad]

We won't get much for a TJ trade.

#1 His cap number is very high.

#2. His production is very low for a #1 WR, and nothing but average for a #2 WR

#3. He is a diva.


IMO this makes DJ nearly impossible to trade. Getting a high pick for DJ is a pipe dream. We may have to cut him, or take a late round pick at best.

Not Diontae Johnson...TJ Watt.

[Northern_Blitz]

I often take Gerry Dulac's inside sources with a grain of salt...

But according to his reporting the Steelers were considering a QB change after the Cleveland debacle. However, chose to replace the OC.

So it may not be that far off that the Steelers will consider a QB competition next year.

I was intrigued by the Cook & Joe show talking about would you trade TJ to get into the upper tier of #1 picks?

I know most here will be an absolute no...but he is 29 and won't get you any more value than he has right now.

The one thing (outside of the GOAT) that Bill Belichek would do is part with guys for picks before they reached past their prime. Love TJ but I also have to believe the Steelers are getting no closer to a playoff win with what they have on the other side of the ball.

Getting in the top 3 is worth considering at this point. Hell you might even get a couple of #1's similar to the Khalil Mack trade (although he was only 26 at the time).

Brothervad

TJ is far and away my favorite player on the team currently.

I don't follow NCAA football too closely so I don't know the prospects. But I'd strongly consider trading him if it meant a shot a top 3 pick that we thought could land us a franchise QB.

I think edge rusher is among the top 3 most important positions in football. But QB is just so much more important than everything else. And having an above average QB on a rookie contract is a cheat code in the NFL.

But you need a partner. And I think that means you pretty much need a team that's picking that high but doesn't want a QB (or thinks the current crop isn't good).

This was not really possible this year. But the dead money next year gets cut by a significant amount. But it's still $18+M before Jun1 or $9+M for two years if after June 1.

I think there's almost no chance the team does this because TJ is the face of the franchise. But everything should be on the table if the return is a potential franchise QB on a rookie deal.

[Chucktownsteeler]

We won't get much for a TJ trade.

#1 His cap number is very high.

#2. His production is very low for a #1 WR, and nothing but average for a #2 WR

#3. He is a diva.


IMO this makes DJ nearly impossible to trade. Getting a high pick for DJ is a pipe dream. We may have to cut him, or take a late round pick at best.

I don't think they are trading Watt anytime soon.

[brothervad]

I don't think they are trading Watt anytime soon.

I think this is likely, but I think it should be considered.

If not, there is a good chance that he will not experience a playoff win and no chance of a championship.

And if as you suggest they won't trade him anytime soon...they won't get high value for a 30-something Edge rusher.

Btw, before anyone suggests this defeatist...TJ was here before the HOF QB was a shell of himself.

And they had weapons. Zero playoff wins.

Love TJ, but love the Steelers more. If it meant getting a franchise QB, I would strongly consider it.

But that is probably why I post on MB's and am not an NFL GM.

[Steel Maniac]

I often take Gerry Dulac's inside sources with a grain of salt...

But according to his reporting the Steelers were considering a QB change after the Cleveland debacle. However, chose to replace the OC.

So it may not be that far off that the Steelers will consider a QB competition next year.

I was intrigued by the Cook & Joe show talking about would you trade TJ to get into the upper tier of #1 picks?

I know most here will be an absolute no...but he is 29 and won't get you any more value than he has right now.

The one thing (outside of the GOAT) that Bill Belichek would do is part with guys for picks before they reached past their prime. Love TJ but I also have to believe the Steelers are getting no closer to a playoff win with what they have on the other side of the ball.

Getting in the top 3 is worth considering at this point. Hell you might even get a couple of #1's similar to the Khalil Mack trade (although he was only 26 at the time).

Brothervad

Interesting……

[hawaiiansteel]

TJ is far and away my favorite player on the team currently.

I don't follow NCAA football too closely so I don't know the prospects. But I'd strongly consider trading him if it meant a shot a top 3 pick that we thought could land us a franchise QB.

I think edge rusher is among the top 3 most important positions in football. But QB is just so much more important than everything else. And having an above average QB on a rookie contract is a cheat code in the NFL.

But you need a partner. And I think that means you pretty much need a team that's picking that high but doesn't want a QB (or thinks the current crop isn't good).

This was not really possible this year. But the dead money next year gets cut by a significant amount. But it's still $18+M before Jun1 or $9+M for two years if after June 1.

I think there's almost no chance the team does this because TJ is the face of the franchise. But everything should be on the table if the return is a potential franchise QB on a rookie deal.

ZERO chance the Steelers trade TJ Watt.

[Steel Maniac]

If TJ would bring us a top three pick, I’d have to do it. But I’m scared we don’t have the talent evaluation people to make the right QB pick.

[feltdizz]

I think this is likely, but I think it should be considered.

If not, there is a good chance that he will not experience a playoff win and no chance of a championship.

And if as you suggest they won't trade him anytime soon...they won't get high value for a 30-something Edge rusher.

Btw, before anyone suggests this defeatist...TJ was here before the HOF QB was a shell of himself.

And they had weapons. Zero playoff wins.

Love TJ, but love the Steelers more. If it meant getting a franchise QB, I would strongly consider it.

But that is probably why I post on MB's and am not an NFL GM.

I was one of the people who wanted to trade TJ instead of signing him. We never won a playoff game with him on the cheap so why would we win one now that his cap hit is high when we could get 2 or 3 picks for him and spend that money on other players?

It was never that TJ wasn't special, it's because we depend too much on him and don't have players around him.

[NorthCoast]

Package up Najee and DJ for Justin Fields. I'd make that trade today. CHI will take a QB anyway in the next draft so would be open to this.

Andrew Filliponi was at the game yesterday. He said receivers were wide open but Pickett simply didn't see them. Even on the play he was injured he had two receivers open for easy catches.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Not Diontae Johnson...TJ Watt.

Oops. I meant to type in DJ. See what losing to the worst or second worst football team in the NFL does to a man?