Illegal formation?

[JTP53609]

Okay, this seems to be getting a lot of ignoring ?..
that illegal formation with 50 seconds left, which had it not been called would of essentially ended the game right there without 45 extra seconds, anyway, my point is this ?

Baltimore declined it, why did the clock stop then?? ok if it stops whether the penalty is accepted or declined than why doesn?t a team that?s down commit a penalty every week if the clock stops regardless, I?ve just never seen that before.

[NorthCoast]

Okay, this seems to be getting a lot of ignoring ?..
that illegal formation with 50 seconds left, which had it not been called would of essentially ended the game right there without 45 extra seconds, anyway, my point is this ?

Baltimore declined it, why did the clock stop then?? ok if it stops whether the penalty is accepted or declined than why doesn?t a team that?s down commit a penalty every week if the clock stops regardless, I?ve just never seen that before.

Because if you are behind then the opponent would accept the penalty and you lose the yardage. BAL declined it because they needed as much clock as possible. If BAL accepted, then the Steelers rerun the play and wind down the clock to about 20 sec left.

[JTP53609]

Thank you, I figured that but never saw it happen before…..So in the rule book it actually says something like team behind cannot benefit from such a play resulting in time being stopped

[SteelerOfDeVille]

the other thing about this entire drive - they started "victory formation" too soon anyway - somebody's math wasn't mathing. Even without the penalty, the team would have had to punt with like 15-20 seconds left because Balt had 2 timeouts when the drive started.

THESE legit coaching mistakes are the things that Tomlin SHOULD get called out for.

[T.Ferguson]

I've never seen that before lol, great job guys there giving the ball back to the Ravens with almost 50 seconds when it should've been more like 10. So many football follies under this coaching regime recently.

[Eich]

the other thing about this entire drive - they started "victory formation" too soon anyway - somebody's math wasn't mathing.

Or they had the math ok but figured that kneeling was safer than running the ball to take as much time off the clock as possible. Someone didn't account for the ineptitude of our offense to even screw THAT up.

[JTP53609]

We run the ball 3 times and get no yards there’s 7 or 8seconds left with a kick coming, leave it to the stillers to screw it up, I’ve watched football for 38 years, never seen that play out like that (also never really looked for it either)

[Eich]

We run the ball 3 times and get no yards there?s 7 or 8seconds left with a kick coming, leave it to the stillers to screw it up, I?ve watched football for 38 years, never seen that play out like that (also never really looked for it either)

Or we run the ball 3 times and do the Bettis special and fumble at a critical time. I didn't have a problem with kneeling. You'd think we wouldn't be so inept to get a penalty on the most simple play in football.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

3 kneels = living in your fears....

[feltdizz]

did you guys see the end of the Miami game vs GTech? All they had to do was kneel. They fumble with 30 seconds left and GTech wins on a last second TD pass.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

did you guys see the end of the Miami game vs GTech? All they had to do was kneel. They fumble with 30 seconds left and GTech wins on a last second TD pass.

Yep.

When you can fully run out the clock, you should kneel. If you cannot run out the clock, you run a play and tell your RB to use both hands.

I would run Bettis every time on that play that he fumbled on... the man hadn't fumbled in 2 seasons.

[JTP53609]

Yep.

When you can fully run out the clock, you should kneel. If you cannot run out the clock, you run a play and tell your RB to use both hands.

I would run Bettis every time on that play that he fumbled on... the man hadn't fumbled in 2 seasons.

well said !!

[Flasteel]

the other thing about this entire drive - they started "victory formation" too soon anyway - somebody's math wasn't mathing. Even without the penalty, the team would have had to punt with like 15-20 seconds left because Balt had 2 timeouts when the drive started.

THESE legit coaching mistakes are the things that Tomlin SHOULD get called out for.

That wasn't a mistake. The smart move is to go to the victory formation and run it down to about 12 seconds. Had Tomlin decided to run and there was a fumble, then he would be the new Mario Cristobal. Baltimore would have been swinging at that ball like TJ Watt on Zay Flower's face.

But it was still a coaching gaffe to not have your players prepared to legally line up on that penalty.

[Flasteel]

Yep.

When you can fully run out the clock, you should kneel. If you cannot run out the clock, you run a play and tell your RB to use both hands.

I would run Bettis every time on that play that he fumbled on... the man hadn't fumbled in 2 seasons.

Seriously? You're going to use Bettis as your example? Probably the only example of a Steeler back (who never fumbles) fumbling the game away in the final moments. Of an AFC Divisional game no less. C'mon SoD!

You are absolutely wrong on this though. There is no way in Hell they were going to gain a first down running the ball against that defense in that situation. The chances of something stupid or bad happening are far greater than the chances of them going the length of the field with no timeouts and 12 seconds left. And wouldn't you know it...something stupid did happen.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Seriously? You're going to use Bettis as your example? Probably the only example of a Steeler back (who never fumbles) fumbling the game away in the final moments. Of an AFC Divisional game no less. C'mon SoD!

You are absolutely wrong on this though. There is no way in Hell they were going to gain a first down running the ball against that defense in that situation. The chances of something stupid or bad happening are far greater than the chances of them going the length of the field with no timeouts and 12 seconds left. And wouldn't you know it...something stupid did happen.

I'm not even suggesting a first down was necessary. I'm just saying I'm not giving the opponent the ball back if I can help it. Why give them a chance to hit a Hail Mary or something when you can control that? The team WITH the ball scores at a higher rate than the team on defense (unless you're the Steelers)

By the time you snap the ball, hand it off the RB runs and the official spots the ball, that play takes an additional 4-5 seconds off the clock as compared to a kneel. 3 of those and you CAN salt away the additional 12 seconds. Shoot, it would have been fine if KP ran backwards 10 yards each time and slid when anyone got near. Just consume all the time and DON'T give the ball back to the opponent

Finally, Bettis is the perfect example. Think about it - I had to go back nearly 20 years to find the last Steelers example - and these teams has run out a LOT of clocks over the last 2 decades. I'm taking those odds.