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  • Oviedo
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    • May 2008
    • 23824

    #16
    Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
    Yes, I can confirm that Florio adequately watches what he is talking about. What makes you so sure he doest? Do you have any proof? No, you do not.

    He says Warren is more explosive and averages more yards per game this year. He is not wrong. Harris lacks the burst that NFL starting backs display, period. His is a " slug " back as his career average on YPR and YPC tell us. But Warren's career YPR and YPC paint a different picture, don't they?

    Now the local beat writers won't question Tomlin, at least those that speak at his press conferences. One day I'd like to be at a press conference with credentials and ask him some open ended question that can not be answered with a short yes or no, and require him to answer that question with contact. Like why isn't Warren starting despite averaging higher ... much higher in YPC and YPR and getting more total yards this year. How would Tomlin answer that?

    Confirm how? You in his living room with him?
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • papillon
      Legend
      • Mar 2008
      • 11340

      #17
      Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
      I deal with real numbers. Right now Warren has more yards than Harris. Who in your opinion should be be our primary back? Canada can't fix this problem. Tomlin is the man who decides who starts and plays more..
      The number one running back isn't the problem right now. I don't care who it is, Harris or Warren, neither is making the difference in the offense as it is currently performing. Ok, so, lets go with Warren, how many more points does this offense score if he gets Najee touches and Najee gets his? The answer is probably none. This is exactly what I'm saying right now, your bias is for Warren, neither back looks very good right now. So, let me ask you, Pickett has sucked, why not replace him? Freiermuth has sucked, why not replace him. You can make a case that the entire offensive line has sucked, why not play all the backups? You're picking one guy as if he's the damn devil incarnate and want him benched when the entire offense can be benched for lack of performance.

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      • Steel Maniac
        Banned
        • Apr 2017
        • 19472

        #18
        NFL Network’s Mike Garofolo reports Jaylen Warren is expected to see “more work for the Steelers in the running game.”

        Garafolo also mentioned the Steelers’ expectations of Najee Harris getting better as the season goes on, so this isn’t a full backfield takeover from Warren yet. Still, Warren has looked like the more explosive back in Pittsburgh this year and that was readily apparent during his rookie season as well. With just nine carries through two games, it makes sense for Mike Tomlin to get Warren more involved on the ground.

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        • Joel Buchsbaum
          Legend
          • Jan 2021
          • 7744

          #19
          Originally posted by papillon
          I'm not sure any judgment can be made about either back in the running game because the offense has been so putrid. It feels like if you have an axe to grind for Najee you can find some stat to fit your narrative and if you have an axe to grind for Warren you can do the same. The entire offense needs to come together as a group and begin to make plays. If you're willing to replace Najee for lack of performance you have to replace nearly every single player on offense by those standards. Now, a fresh overall perspective could make a huge difference and that would mean jettisoning Canada and bringing in an OUTSIDER to run the offense who has no preconceived bias for any player and let players earn their playing time. If you're not changing the entire picture, I think you have to roll as is because a scant few are performing up to NFL standards on offense.

          Pappy
          The judgement one has to make is over 18 games and 100+ practices! That is the narrative. Canada does not pick the playing time. Tomlin does.

          Yes I do have ax the grind against sup par Steeler..especially those who start. This is not unique.
          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27532

            #20
            Warren has done nothing in the running game during this season to say he is the better RB.

            better pass catcher on 3rd down? Definitely, which is why he is the 3rd down back.. lol.
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • Blitzer
              Pro Bowler
              • Nov 2022
              • 1073

              #21
              Originally posted by feltdizz
              Warren has done nothing in the running game during this season to say he is the better RB.

              better pass catcher on 3rd down? Definitely, which is why he is the 3rd down back.. lol.
              Yep. it is that simple. I hope Warren gives them a spark in the run game. same with Harris. Perfect week to quote this but Just win Baby

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              • Joel Buchsbaum
                Legend
                • Jan 2021
                • 7744

                #22
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                Warren has done nothing in the running game during this season to say he is the better RB.

                better pass catcher on 3rd down? Definitely, which is why he is the 3rd down back.. lol.
                Are you going to concede on our signature bet yet? Harris is not rushing for 1,300 yards or more this season.

                The Raiders are a soft team vs. the run.
                Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                • Mr.wizard
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                  • May 2014
                  • 6686

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                  Are you going to concede on our signature bet yet? Harris is not rushing for 1,300 yards or more this season.

                  The Raiders are a soft team vs. the run.
                  Why he has 139 yds so far with 14 games left, which means he needs 1161 in 14 games. So he needs like 83 yards per game.

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                  • feltdizz
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 27532

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                    Are you going to concede on our signature bet yet? Harris is not rushing for 1,300 yards or more this season.

                    The Raiders are a soft team vs. the run.
                    its been 3 games and we played 2 of the best defenses the first 2 weeks.

                    Now that we scrapped the zone blocking watch Najee start rolling.
                    Steelers 27
                    Rats 16

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                    • WindyCitySteel
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                      • Nov 2011
                      • 15684

                      #25
                      All things considered, we probably should have just kept James Conner.

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                      • Mr.wizard
                        Legend
                        • May 2014
                        • 6686

                        #26
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        its been 3 games and we played 2 of the best defenses the first 2 weeks.

                        Now that we scrapped the zone blocking watch Najee start rolling.
                        I think so too, Najee looked much comfortable with this blocking scheme and so di the line. If Canada can not be so predictable and Kenny can back those safeties out of the box I think Harris and Warren will both eat.

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                        • feltdizz
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 27532

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                          I think so too, Najee looked much comfortable with this blocking scheme and so di the line. If Canada can not be so predictable and Kenny can back those safeties out of the box I think Harris and Warren will both eat.
                          Not sure if thr Texans have a good defense or the Jags just suck this year.

                          Hoping to see us run more and stack a few wins.
                          Steelers 27
                          Rats 16

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                          • Mr.wizard
                            Legend
                            • May 2014
                            • 6686

                            #28
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            Not sure if thr Texans have a good defense or the Jags just suck this year.

                            Hoping to see us run more and stack a few wins.
                            I can't tell on the Jags, on paper they look great but on the field they have really sucked.

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                            • Northern_Blitz
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 24373

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                              Why he has 139 yds so far with 14 games left, which means he needs 1161 in 14 games. So he needs like 83 yards per game.
                              I hope that he starts hitting the hole.

                              He's much better when he's not trying to run like Bell.

                              You're a huge, powerful RB. Take the ball and hit the hole.

                              I think that's what people like about Warren. I don't think he's a better back. But he's much more decisive.

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                              • Mr.wizard
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                                • May 2014
                                • 6686

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                                I hope that he starts hitting the hole.

                                He's much better when he's not trying to run like Bell.

                                You're a huge, powerful RB. Take the ball and hit the hole.

                                I think that's what people like about Warren. I don't think he's a better back. But he's much more decisive.
                                But typically he runs into a different front and actually rushing the ball Warren hasn't been that good. You saw Najee hitting the hole when it was there and trying to cut back when it wasn't. The issue is the predictability, too many guys getting downhill too fast and hitting our backs in the backfield.

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