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  • Starlifter
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    • May 2008
    • 5078

    Initial thoughts from Heinz....

    yeah, i can't say acrisure yet. and I'm also aware my thoughts aren't worth very much - but this is more therapy for me so I can maybe get some sleep tonight.

    I should spend paragraphs talking about how great the defense was tonight. The subs did a terrific job. Yeah, there was some containment issues, and clearly the stains were targeting Levi Wallace as the weak link. But 14 points off turnovers, TJ sets the franchise record AND they got that stop at the end of the game when most watching (admit it to yourselves) were wondering if we'd have enough time left on the clock to try to come back and win. Minor point and I don't know if it came through the broadcast - but when Chubbs left on the cart a large portion of the stadium was chanting his name. Mad respect for that guy and how he plays and it was nice to see our fans recognize his abilities.

    But this is about therapy and facing your demons. So speaking of demonic - let's talk about the offense, shall we?

    I thought the O-line was upgraded in the off season. I'm aware the Stains were using 5 D linemen and daring KP to throw - but dang. Our line was getting pushed all over the place. Najee had a few nice runs - but I think Jaylen is clearly outperforming him. Kenny was still off target on too many throws, the tight ends were a non-factor. too many false starts IMO. I think the only way to describe the offense after 2 games is an undisciplined hot mess. There were outscored by the defense and when they had to get one first down to ice the game - they had to resort to a QB sneak that fooled no one. I'd love to try to pin the blame on Canada, and i'm sure he merits quite a bit of it - but seeing what the Stains were doing, and doing so quite obviously he had no answer upon which to force Cleveland to make a change. That being said, our guys were struggling to execute most of what was called. So yeah - no easy answers there.

    quick subplot. After the KP keeper and for the first time I ever recall hearing it at the stadium - a large chant of 'FIRE HEAD COACH' took hold.

    Fortunately for the Steelers, the players who were great today outnumbered the players who didn't meet the standard - thus we're 1-1. Happy for the win, but nervous about Vegas next week. There's a lot of work to be done.

    Oh yeah, here's hoping the Gunner O experiment has run its course.
    Last edited by Starlifter; 09-19-2023, 12:56 AM.
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  • papillon
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    • Mar 2008
    • 11340

    #2
    The box will be stacked until Pickett or Trubisky or Rudolph prove that they can complete passes and move the football. Why wouldn't you stack the box, there was no indication tonight that KP8 can play at a high level in this league. He did play two of the best defenses in the league but you still have to be able to make 1st downs and move the ball. A team with a an above average QB or better wins tonight's game going away.

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    • SteelCrazy
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      • Aug 2008
      • 5049

      #3
      I understand the frustration and disappointment with Pickett. However, it’s way too early to give up on him. He needs some time and we’ll just have to suffer with him. Hopefully he turns it on soon enough, but he should get this year before he’s judged too harshly.

      OT…I didn’t see Chubbs injury until a buddy sent me a pic post game. That is a horrifying sight. It’s like Thiesmann but at the knee.
      Last edited by SteelCrazy; 09-19-2023, 01:27 AM.
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      • Oviedo
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        • May 2008
        • 23824

        #4
        We are 1-1 and not 0-2

        The Bumgals look ordinary and they will lose talent as the impact of Burrow's contract hits. Burrow looks to be trending to the oft injured category

        The Browns are saddled with Watson and just lost their best offensive player for the season

        The Ravens aren't dominant and its only a matter of time before the next injury for Jackson

        I'm not happy with how we have played but we have plenty of time to get better
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        • Mr.wizard
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          • May 2014
          • 6686

          #5
          It really starts upfront, the O-line was getting killed and I think this is contributing to Pickett's woes.

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          • BURGH86STEEL
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            • May 2008
            • 6921

            #6
            The Browns had little respect for the offenses ability to pass the ball with any consistency. The Oline had it's good and bad moments vs a very talented Browns Dline. The Oline is still a major work in progress in the run game. Steelers may need an upgrade at the center position. Hopefully KP can develop more consistency to his game as the season progresses.

            Outside of a handful of bad plays the defense got the job done. The defense won't have 4 turnovers and two TD's every week. The offensive side of the ball needs to get it's act together.

            I expect another tight game in Vegas on Sunday.

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            • Joel Buchsbaum
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              • Jan 2021
              • 7744

              #7
              Originally posted by SteelCrazy
              I understand the frustration and disappointment with Pickett. However, it’s way too early to give up on him. He needs some time and we’ll just have to suffer with him. Hopefully he turns it on soon enough, but he should get this year before he’s judged too harshly.

              OT…I didn’t see Chubbs injury until a buddy sent me a pic post game. That is a horrifying sight. It’s like Thiesmann but at the knee.
              ABC did the right thing for no replaying the injury. Chubb is a warrior and took the as injury well as a man could. Hats off to the Pittsburgh crowd for supporting him. Knees are not supposed to bend that way.
              Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

              Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

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              • Northern_Blitz
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                • Dec 2008
                • 24373

                #8
                Originally posted by papillon
                The box will be stacked until Pickett or Trubisky or Rudolph prove that they can complete passes and move the football. Why wouldn't you stack the box, there was no indication tonight that KP8 can play at a high level in this league. He did play two of the best defenses in the league but you still have to be able to make 1st downs and move the ball. A team with a an above average QB or better wins tonight's game going away.

                Pappy
                Any sant coach will run this game plan and bank on our D not putting up 14 pts.

                Hard to feel confident that this QB and OC will have an answer.

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                • Northern_Blitz
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 24373

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Oviedo
                  We are 1-1 and not 0-2

                  The Bumgals look ordinary and they will lose talent as the impact of Burrow's contract hits. Burrow looks to be trending to the oft injured category

                  The Browns are saddled with Watson and just lost their best offensive player for the season

                  The Ravens aren't dominant and its only a matter of time before the next injury for Jackson

                  I'm not happy with how we have played but we have plenty of time to get better
                  I like QBs on rookie deals.

                  But they need to be at least average for the team to do anything

                  That looks like a team order at this point. But there's still time

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                  • NorthCoast
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 26636

                    #10
                    • Cole - he was getting pushed back a lot; huge disappointment in my book; this is a draft need next season
                    • Chuks - should have sat this one out, bad start bad finish
                    • Moore - the stat line will probably read better than his play, he simply cannot block speed rushers
                    • KP - didn't exactly rise to the occasion, and you could argue he shrunk to it just like last week
                    • Harris - a typical Harris game, couple of nice runs mixed in with a lot of nothing
                    • Warren - he just looks different with the ball than Harris
                    • Pickens - a positive on the night; really good to see Pickett start focusing on him in this offense, still not crisp but I'll take what we could get
                    • Allen - he's getting more looks as a security blanket for Pickett and that's a good thing
                    • Canada - Browns defense did what they needed to do to disrupt the offense, Canada used a lot of motion but really there was very little misdirection plays. The impromptu cutback by Harris was the exception. When you have a defense chasing the ball like that misdirection is your friend. Execution was so off it's just hard to judge the playcalling. But this offense isn't really fooling too many people.
                    • Watt - what more can you say about the guy that hasn't been said? Takes games over. And for yinz whining about him taking a few plays off, you're just completely wrong. You can't play 200mph for 30 minutes. Plus Herbig gets a few valuable snaps.
                    • Ogunjobi - good to see him gut it out even though he's not 100%, the DL looks respectable with him in the game
                    • Adams - he's not an answer to any question
                    • Wallace - he is what I thought he was, a backup CB trying to look like a starter
                    • JPJ - promising looking rookie but that last play should have extended the Browns possession. If I had to make a choice between Wallace playing 10 yds off and JPJ with PI I think I would take JPJ.
                    • Harvin - redemption game, in a game where every single punt was critical he nailed them
                    • Boz - had a Boz kind of night; will need his scoring going forward since the offense can't do it
                    • Tomlin - the team with one of the biggest analytics departments against Tomlin's gut; the gut takes this one.

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                    • Ghost
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                      • May 2008
                      • 6338

                      #11
                      FYI Star - you could hear the Chubb chants and both Joe & Troy mentioned it from the booth and what a classy move it was by the fans.

                      How does the playbook not have a single play to get 1 or 2 yards in critical situations. It is mind boggling how much of a struggle it is to get that yard.

                      Do not need to see any more Canada. The call for Kenny to get the 1 yard was not even pee-wee worthy. Was not even a true sneak. Started him 4 yards back. Guy is not an NFL coordinator.

                      On the day they put Cam on IR , they promoted WR Fitzpatrick to the 53 roster and then he was a healthy inactive. How in the world does Fedoko not get a helmet? At least see what he can do. When Adams is out there they are playing with 10. He blows.

                      The O-line has been a massive disappointment.
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                      • WindyCitySteel
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                        • Nov 2011
                        • 15684

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                        It really starts upfront, the O-line was getting killed and I think this is contributing to Pickett's woes.
                        Nonsense, we "fixed the OL" the last three offseasons!

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                        • WindyCitySteel
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                          • Nov 2011
                          • 15684

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                          I like QBs on rookie deals.

                          But they need to be at least average for the team to do anything

                          That looks like a team order at this point. But there's still time
                          You're supposed to surround your rookie QB with a great supporting cast, the Steelers have stayed on the path of cheap, mediocre free agents and fear of playing draft picks.

                          Not excusing Kenny, he stinks, but they've clearly fumbled the rookie QB thing re: team building. OL/DL/ILB/CB will a hot mess.

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                          • NorthCoast
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                            • Sep 2008
                            • 26636

                            #14
                            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                            Nonsense, we "fixed the OL" the last three offseasons!
                            Are you saying Kahn conned us?? As far as I know the only change from last season is Seumalo. And he doesn't look like the beast Philly players said he was.

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                            • SteelCrazy
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                              • Aug 2008
                              • 5049

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ghost
                              FYI Star - you could hear the Chubb chants and both Joe & Troy mentioned it from the booth and what a classy move it was by the fans.

                              How does the playbook not have a single play to get 1 or 2 yards in critical situations. It is mind boggling how much of a struggle it is to get that yard.

                              Do not need to see any more Canada. The call for Kenny to get the 1 yard was not even pee-wee worthy. Was not even a true sneak. Started him 4 yards back. Guy is not an NFL coordinator.

                              On the day they put Cam on IR , they promoted WR Fitzpatrick to the 53 roster and then he was a healthy inactive. How in the world does Fedoko not get a helmet? At least see what he can do. When Adams is out there they are playing with 10. He blows.

                              The O-line has been a massive disappointment.
                              I couldn?t believe my eyes, but my brain knew immediately every concern I?ve had with Canada was validated following a shotgun sneak for 1 yard.
                              Last edited by SteelCrazy; 09-19-2023, 08:32 AM.
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