"Pickett ain't THAT skilled"

[Polamalubeast]

And in the 2008 to 2011 period,8 of the top 10 most paid on the team were on defense, so it was normal that our defense was better....But at least our offense was able to step up when it was time

Haley had a lot more talent but I also have to admit the defense under Butler was just awful come playoff time.

[Captain Lemming]

And in the 2008 to 2011 period,8 of the top 10 most paid on the team were on defense, so it was normal that our defense was better....But at least our offense was able to step up when it was time

Haley had a lot more talent but I also have to admit the defense under Butler was just awful come playoff time.

Kinda why Im excited. Mature defense and young cheap but talented offense.

BMac on the All Covered podcast said it feels just like going into 2008.

[Northern_Blitz]

Ben threw more touchdowns in Haleys last playoff game (one game) than in any playoff SERIES (including two 3 game SB runs) under Arians.

Fun fact. When we give Arians credit for our playoff success only ONE of his playoff wins was not assisted by a a defensive or special team score.

So when you look at the final score, subtract 7 and THEN see how weak the scoring was.

For example our offense was outscored by HALEYS CARDINAL offense in Arians SB win 20-23.

Our non-offensive score by Harrison (every playoff game that season had one) was the difference in that game.

The often criticized so called TACKLE THE CATCH coach Dick Lebeau and the DRILLED THE DEFENSE ON BLOCKING TO SCORE RELENTLESSLY (according to Troy) head coach Tomlin deserve the coaching credit.

People completely forget our offfense was straight trash until Ben closed the game playground style. I give Arians ZERO credit for that win.

Arians did Jack squat against a trash Cardinals defense. Haleys Cardinals faced the best defense in the league. We?re it not for our well coached defense, the Cardinals would have destroyed us.

The difference between Arians wins and Haleys Steelers setting all manner of franchise records while losing despite scoring 42 is Haley needed 50 to win yet Arians needed HALF as much (24) in EVERY PLAYOFF WIN HE EVER HAD as our OC.

Remember you need to count the effects of DTDs for AND DTDs against.

[Northern_Blitz]

The Steelers had all of ONE great red zone offense during Bens era. Number one ONCE.

Care to check who the OC was?

Hint? None of the above.

Hint 2?
It was DESPITE losing an all pro back to a hold out.

You see the problem is we judge OCs by wins ONLY not the contributions to winning and losing.

Without looking it up, I think it was Fitch.

But I don't think you are seriously saying Fitch was a good OC, right?

Never mind looking at any one particular stat.

Do you think he was better than Haley or BA as an OC?

I think (like Canada) he wasn't an NFL level OC.

[Polamalubeast]

Kinda why Im excited. Mature defense and young cheap but talented offense.

BMac on the All Covered podcast said it feels just like going into 2008.

I hope the o-line will be better that in 2008....2008 was the worst offensive line ever to win the super bowl!

[NJ-STEELER]

45-42.
For perspective, we NEVER EVER scored 42 with Arians even in the regular season.

Going into the 4th we were down by 7
21-28.

Both teams had huge 4th quarters. We scored 21 they scored 17 in the fourth.

That fourth quarter was A TYPICAL WHOLE GAME worth of scoring when Arians and Lebeau were coaching.

i was asking about the SB 43 game you referred to

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Mike Tannenbaum doesn't think Kenny is all that. He doesn't think he can get us to the playoffs, too dink and dunk, can't get the ball downfield in big chucks enough. 2nd worst yards per pass in the NFL last year.

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/former-gm-slams-pittsburgh-steelers-kenny-pickett-score-points

I predict we will see a somewhat limited Kenny, with blame placed firmly at Canada's feet, with the real cause more on Tomlin than anyone. But they will fire Canada and pretend it's his fault, Rooney style.

Yep. I have noted that in detail here too. I don't think some people will change opinion on it... yet.

2nd worst Qb in getting the ball down the field with Pickens? How? It's not like Pickett lacks weapons. We got the worst projected starter in 2023 Running Back in YPR and YPC too. You can't make this stuff up.

Dink and dunk goes the Steelers offense with Pickett. At least they say he has improved his strength. Whether that translates into better arm strength ( Velocity ) remains to be seen.

[pczach]

Yep. I have noted that in detail here too. I don't think some people will change opinion on it... yet.

2nd worst Qb in getting the ball down the field with Pickens? How? It's not like Pickett lacks weapons. We got the worst projected starter in 2023 Running Back in YPR and YPC too. You can't make this stuff up.

Dink and dunk goes the Steelers offense with Pickett. At least they say he has improved his strength. Whether that translates into better arm strength ( Velocity ) remains to be seen.

He just needs to develop and gain more confidence in what his eyes are seeing and reading defenses pre-snap. He was 6th in the NFL in deep ball accuracy.

On passes 21 yards or further he completed 57.5%, which was 2nd in the NFL behind Geno Smith.

It's a small sample size, but the numbers don't lie. He can make the throws.

These explosive plays are going to happen more frequently this season and moving forward. His development in identifying coverages and knowing where his best matchups are is going to help him make more of the big plays everyone wants to see.

https://steelersnow.com/steelers-kenny-pickett-ranked-sixth-best-deep-passer/

[WindyCitySteel]

He just needs to develop and gain more confidence in what his eyes are seeing and reading defenses pre-snap. He was 6th in the NFL in deep ball accuracy.

On passes 21 yards or further he completed 57.5%, which was 2nd in the NFL behind Geno Smith.

It's a small sample size, but the numbers don't lie. He can make the throws.

These explosive plays are going to happen more frequently this season and moving forward. His development in identifying coverages and knowing where his best matchups are is going to help him make more of the big plays everyone wants to see.

https://steelersnow.com/steelers-ken...t-deep-passer/

Joel's mind is made up about Kenny based on pre-draft commentary and speculation. He won't let facts convince him.

[Northern_Blitz]

He just needs to develop and gain more confidence in what his eyes are seeing and reading defenses pre-snap. He was 6th in the NFL in deep ball accuracy.

On passes 21 yards or further he completed 57.5%, which was 2nd in the NFL behind Geno Smith.

It's a small sample size, but the numbers don't lie. He can make the throws.

These explosive plays are going to happen more frequently this season and moving forward. His development in identifying coverages and knowing where his best matchups are is going to help him make more of the big plays everyone wants to see.

https://steelersnow.com/steelers-ken...t-deep-passer/

It's interesting that the difference between intermediate (where I think he's among the worst) and deep passes (where I think he's among the best) is so stark.

Will be fun to watch him develop I think.

[Oviedo]

Joel's mind is made up about Kenny based on pre-draft commentary and speculation. He won't let facts convince him.

Some people aren't happy unless they are unhappy

Some on here aren't really fans, they just see the team as a source to express their negativity

[Steel Maniac]

Joel's mind is made up about Kenny based on pre-draft commentary and speculation. He won't let facts convince him.

Well,...... here's the good thing; We don't have to wait long for all this to be put to bed one way or the other.

There are a lot of " fork in the road" issues pending:

1. Is KP the real deal?
2. Is Canada legit?
3. Is the O-line good enough?
4. Is the "smash mouth" approach viable in today's NFL?
5. Is Najee legit?
6. Is the newly assembled linebacker corps good?

All will be answered this year.

[pczach]

It's interesting that the difference between intermediate (where I think he's among the worst) and deep passes (where I think he's among the best) is so stark.

Will be fun to watch him develop I think.

I think it will be a blast watching him grow.

I think KP can flat-out throw the ball. I think he wasn't trusting his eyes as to what he was seeing. He was probably confused with reads at times and didn't trust the throws. He seemed to be a little inaccurate at times, but I think that was because of some footwork issues.

On the positive side he has shown that he can throw with anticipation. He can lead receivers to the open area throwing the ball ahead of schedule and under pressure. That is a great trait. He also showed that he can escape the pocket and keep his eyes downfield. He is great at throwing guys open while moving. He did it many times last year, particularly with Freiermuth. Kenny would intentionally throw the ball off of the intended route and place the ball to a spot where only his guy could get it. Pretty impressive.

[Captain Lemming]

Some people aren't happy unless they are unhappy

Some on here aren't really fans, they just see the team as a source to express their negativity

Some men arent looking for anything logical.

They cant be, bullied negotiated, or reasoned with.

Some men just want to see the TEAM burn.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

He just needs to develop and gain more confidence in what his eyes are seeing and reading defenses pre-snap. He was 6th in the NFL in deep ball accuracy.

On passes 21 yards or further he completed 57.5%, which was 2nd in the NFL behind Geno Smith.

It's a small sample size, but the numbers don't lie. He can make the throws.

These explosive plays are going to happen more frequently this season and moving forward. His development in identifying coverages and knowing where his best matchups are is going to help him make more of the big plays everyone wants to see.

https://steelersnow.com/steelers-ken...t-deep-passer/

Okay, what is Pickett percentage on the 10-20 yard throws? I want to know as these passes are completed far more often than the 21 yard plus passes.

He was 2nd behind Geno Smith but it that doesn't count if you complete say five 21+ passes a year. It is mostly all Pickens hauling in 50 . 50 balls which for him are more like 70 . 30