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  • whisper
    Legend
    • Mar 2020
    • 9423

    Steelers: in bottom 10 of QB units

    Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Kenny Pickett led the team to a winning record down the stretch last season, primarily by cutting down on turnovers and


    Can't really complain; Kenny had the lowest QB rating of all eligible QBs in the NFL in 2022: Zack Wilson. And that dude was the WORST. All you can do is wait for 2023 to get here and hopefully Kenny will put up much better #s.

    But this just in: It's 2023, being a bottom 10 QB ain't gonna work for post-season aspirations.
  • Blitzer
    Pro Bowler
    • Nov 2022
    • 1073

    #2
    This could have been added to anyone of the 300 KPsucks threads that you or Joel has started in the last few weeks but might as well start 301

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    • Joel Buchsbaum
      Legend
      • Jan 2021
      • 7744

      #3
      The hype an exceptions of Pickett have taken on a life of its own. Me? I don't see anything but a game manger. I do not see a plan B either. Pickett was better than Zack Wilson last year and that is about it on the passer rating scale of projected staters in 2023. Wilson won't stat this year.

      We will have to win with solid running, players who can turn average passes into something special ( like Pickens can), and good defense and solid special teams.
      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • Blitzer
        Pro Bowler
        • Nov 2022
        • 1073

        #4
        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum

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        We will have to win with solid running, players who can turn average passes into something special ( like Pickens can), and good defense and solid special teams.
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        So basically follow the game plan of Big Bens first several years. sounds like a great plan

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        • Mr.wizard
          Legend
          • May 2014
          • 6686

          #5
          Originally posted by Blitzer
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          So basically follow the game plan of Big Bens first several years. sounds like a great plan
          It's a hedging of their position, if Kenny does play well it will be because the receivers are turning his average passes into something special.

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          • BURGH86STEEL
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 6921

            #6
            Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
            The hype an exceptions of Pickett have taken on a life of its own. Me? I don't see anything but a game manger. I do not see a plan B either. Pickett was better than Zack Wilson last year and that is about it on the passer rating scale of projected staters in 2023. Wilson won't stat this year.

            We will have to win with solid running, players who can turn average passes into something special ( like Pickens can), and good defense and solid special teams.
            You probably thought the same about Brady and Ben? No?

            Where is the hype surrounding Pickett? Pickett improved on his turnover ratio from his early starts to his later starts. He helped the Steelers win games in the 2nd half of the season.

            KP's 1st 5 starts he threw 2 TDs, 8 INT's, one fumble loss. After his 1st 5 starts, 5 TD passes and one INT. No fumbles loss. KP didn't accomplish the W's a lone. He played a key role in a W vs an L. The Steelers brought in competition and possibly better players to compete on the offensive side of the ball to help KP and the Steelers win games.

            We will see how it all plays out for the team.

            I will make a false but bold statement. KP will light the league on fire in his 2nd season like Marino and Mahomes.
            Last edited by BURGH86STEEL; 07-01-2023, 07:02 PM.

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            • Blitzer
              Pro Bowler
              • Nov 2022
              • 1073

              #7
              Originally posted by Mr.wizard
              It's a hedging of their position, if Kenny does play well it will be because the receivers are turning his average passes into something special.

              like the Brock Purdy guy? his short passes that turn into long td runs are because Purdy sees the way the receiver should run before the pass, and imposes his will on said receiver to do so. All Purdy. He is the best. I love him.

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              • Joel Buchsbaum
                Legend
                • Jan 2021
                • 7744

                #8
                Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                You probably thought the same about Brady and Ben? No?

                Where is the hype surrounding Pickett? Pickett improved on his turnover ratio from his early starts to his later starts. He helped the Steelers win games in the 2nd half of the season.

                KP's 1st 5 starts he threw 2 TDs, 8 INT's, one fumble loss. After his 1st 5 starts, 5 TD passes and one INT. No fumbles loss. KP didn't accomplish the W's a lone. He played a key role in a W vs an L. The Steelers brought in competition and possibly better players to compete on the offensive side of the ball to help KP and the Steelers win games.

                We will see how it all plays out for the team.

                I will make a false but bold statement. KP will light the league on fire in his 2nd season like Marino and Mahomes.
                Brady is a master at hitting his guy on the money and some of his passes have better velocity that Pickett can throw. The really aren't comparable players with reading a defense or sensing pressure either.

                And the New England wide receivers, aside form Moss who he had just one year we not big play guys.

                Steeler fans should not to compare Pickett to Marino, Mahomes, or Brady. Steeler fans are supposed to be smarter than the average fan. Sorry we are not Cleveland fans.
                Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                • Joel Buchsbaum
                  Legend
                  • Jan 2021
                  • 7744

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Blitzer
                  like the Brock Purdy guy? his short passes that turn into long td runs are because Purdy sees the way the receiver should run before the pass, and imposes his will on said receiver to do so. All Purdy. He is the best. I love him.
                  +1 Right you are.
                  Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                  Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                  *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                  • NorthCoast
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 26636

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                    You probably thought the same about Brady and Ben? No?

                    Where is the hype surrounding Pickett? Pickett improved on his turnover ratio from his early starts to his later starts. He helped the Steelers win games in the 2nd half of the season.

                    KP's 1st 5 starts he threw 2 TDs, 8 INT's, one fumble loss. After his 1st 5 starts, 5 TD passes and one INT. No fumbles loss. KP didn't accomplish the W's a lone. He played a key role in a W vs an L. The Steelers brought in competition and possibly better players to compete on the offensive side of the ball to help KP and the Steelers win games.

                    We will see how it all plays out for the team.

                    I will make a false but bold statement. KP will light the league on fire in his 2nd season like Marino and Mahomes.
                    Don't forget Bradshaw...

                    Bradshaw got off to a very rocky start, throwing a combined 19 touchdowns and a whopping 46 interceptions in his first two seasons. And if you look at his career numbers, a 212/210 ratio and 70.9 QB rating isn?t anything to write home about, even for his time. But even if Bradshaw did have a problem throwing picks for most of his career, he won lots of games, and stepped up when most needed, as shown by his perfect 4-0 Super Bowl record.

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                    • WindyCitySteel
                      Legend
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 15684

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                      +1 Right you are.
                      Purdy's receivers were constantly adjusting to his off target throws and making plays despite him. That is not sustainable and he will likely come crashing back to earth, if he ever starts another game, that is.

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                      • Iron City Inc.
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Jun 2013
                        • 3237

                        #12
                        To compare Picket off his rookie year to other qb's is not apples to apples. Lets look at a qb like Trevor Lawrence.
                        Lawrence rookie stats year 1 59% completion 12 tds and 17 picks and a qb rating in the low 70's.
                        Lawrence...................... year 2 66% completions 25td's and only 8 picks and a qb rating in the mid 90's.
                        So looking at Picket off of the rookie year and comparing him to other qb's rookie years even that doesn't tell us enough. What we can say is Picket "should" improve. Now could he do what Lawrence did, 25 td's with limited picks say only 10? He could but will he. Thats what we have to see.
                        In conclusion KP makes a similar type jump to Lawrence then we'll be rated closer to the middle of the pack or top 12-14 rather than the #20 that we are at today and that #20 rating is accurate for today imho.

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                        • whisper
                          Legend
                          • Mar 2020
                          • 9423

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                          You probably thought the same about Brady and Ben? No?

                          Where is the hype surrounding Pickett? Pickett improved on his turnover ratio from his early starts to his later starts. He helped the Steelers win games in the 2nd half of the season.

                          KP's 1st 5 starts he threw 2 TDs, 8 INT's, one fumble loss. After his 1st 5 starts, 5 TD passes and one INT. No fumbles loss. KP didn't accomplish the W's a lone. He played a key role in a W vs an L. The Steelers brought in competition and possibly better players to compete on the offensive side of the ball to help KP and the Steelers win games.

                          We will see how it all plays out for the team.

                          I will make a false but bold statement. KP will light the league on fire in his 2nd season like Marino and Mahomes.
                          Yea right, with Cool Shades and his piss-your-pants offense being called? He's gonna throw for 48 TDs and 5,000+ yards? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha.

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