KP: This Shows His Potential

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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
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    KP: This Shows His Potential

    I posted a chart a while back on QB completion rates under pressure. It showed KP to be pretty much average which, considering he was a rookie, is a positive. But I am not sure it told the whole picture. A QB can complete a high % of throws by dumping to a back for example. While the QB gets 'credit' for the completion the play is basically a rushing play. In the NFL the majority of rushing plays result in negative EPA.

    OTOH, QB passing EPA/play adjusts for a bunch of different things that can give a truer picture of the play (e.g. down, distance, field position, time remaining, etc). Similar to completion rate, here's a plot of QBs passing EPA per play under pressure measured as the % difference from the NFL average. This gives a better picture of how much better or worse the QB was relative to his peers.

    Note: this data is only for QBs that played at least 7 games and attempted at least 100 passes under pressure. By doing this we filter fliers that could show extreme EPAs due to only few plays. Also, this is passing EPA only and does not count QB rushes for example.

    [url=https://flic.kr/p/2oLjsu2][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/2oLjsu2]% Difference EPA_PLY under pressure vs NFL Average (1)[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/191750946@N04/]R W[/url], on Flickr


    KP ended up about 20% better than the other QBs in the group. MT about 35% better. You might ask whether EPA includes plays resulting in INTs. The answer is yes, it results in negative EPA. But, how negative depends on where and when the INT happens. For example, an INT in the RZ in the last 2 mins. of the half might be less negative (less likely resulting in opponent points) than an INT on their own 20 yd line (very likely resulting in opponent points).

    Also note some of the names on the minus side are surprising, Rodgers, Brady, LJ... and Mac Jones, wow!

    Honestly after putting this together it looks like KP just might be a QB that can excel in off schedule plays which in the NFL is what separates the greats from the rest.

    NFL 2023 can't get here soon enough!

  • WindyCitySteel
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    • Nov 2011
    • 15684

    #2
    Good call on the comp % potentially being misleading, was looking for this kind of context. I think KP's on-schedule will get better but still will be limited if the scheme is predictable.

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    • feltdizz
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      • May 2008
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      #3
      but what about his hand size and wonderlic score???
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • Northern_Blitz
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        • Dec 2008
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        #4
        Thanks for digging out this positive indicator.

        I agree that we'll learn a lot this season. Fingers and toes will be crossed over here.

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        • Eich
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          • Jul 2010
          • 7079

          #5
          Originally posted by NorthCoast
          Also note some of the names on the minus side are surprising, Rodgers, Brady, LJ... and Mac Jones, wow!
          Doesn't really surprise me about Brady. Dealing with pressure has never been his talent. Rodgers is surprising. And LJ - he just takes off running under pressure.

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          • NorthCoast
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            • Sep 2008
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            #6
            Originally posted by Eich
            Doesn't really surprise me about Brady. Dealing with pressure has never been his talent. Rodgers is surprising. And LJ - he just takes off running under pressure.
            The point about LJ is a good one. If I included EPA on rushing plays I'm sure it would change the picture for a few QBs. And while I didn't watch much GB I thought there was talk about him taking more 'safe' passes when under pressure in the last few years. Plus he did lose his #1 WR from the year before.

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            • Oviedo
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              • May 2008
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              #7
              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
              Thanks for digging out this positive indicator.

              I agree that we'll learn a lot this season. Fingers and toes will be crossed over here.
              Cross your eyes too.

              KP needs to come up big this year
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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              • SteelerOfDeVille
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                • May 2008
                • 9069

                #8
                Originally posted by Eich
                Doesn't really surprise me about Brady. Dealing with pressure has never been his talent. Rodgers is surprising. And LJ - he just takes off running under pressure.
                Agree on Brady - part of the reason they chose quick-passing against the steelers back in the day was how much he struggled against the pass-rush in early matchups. They were successful at it because of how far off our DBs tended to play (still annoyed Lebeau never adjusted to that).
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                • NorthCoast
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                  • Sep 2008
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                  Agree on Brady - part of the reason they chose quick-passing against the steelers back in the day was how much he struggled against the pass-rush in early matchups. They were successful at it because of how far off our DBs tended to play (still annoyed Lebeau never adjusted to that).
                  I think it's trademarked.... "The LeBeau Cushion". I still remember the game where they actually pressed in man. It was a great day for the defense.

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                  • Blitzer
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Nov 2022
                    • 1073

                    #10
                    I thought it was already decided KP was a bust. You know because you should know everything about a QB after 3/4 of 1 season. no way KP can improve.

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                    • Shawn
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                      • Mar 2008
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by feltdizz
                      but what about his hand size and wonderlic score???
                      I don’t really care if he has to wear kid mittens and is dumb as a brick…as long he can slang the rock. I think the only way the Steelers are going to know what they have is to turn him loose. Let the guy sink or swim.
                      Trolls are people too.

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                      • NorthCoast
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                        • Sep 2008
                        • 26640

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Shawn
                        I don?t really care if he has to wear kid mittens and is dumb as a brick?as long he can slang the rock. I think the only way the Steelers are going to know what they have is to turn him loose. Let the guy sink or swim.
                        KP overhead jammin this to Canada;

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