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  • Steel Maniac
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    • Apr 2017
    • 19472

    #16
    Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
    Truly drafting BPA is what you do when you're really strong and don't have many deficiencies. They haven't legit drafted BPA in years because lately, there's always a weakness. And with that, it's BPA at a position of need.

    For the most part, I don't see that the Steelers have necessarily reached - they've just missed. Devin Bush was considered a 1st rounder. He simply didn't pan out. Same with Jarvis Jones.

    In the last 20+ years, the only true reach that I can think of is Artie Burns who graded out as 2nd/3rd round prospect by most. They were so focused on William Jackson and when he was sniped by Cincy, frankly they seemed to panic.

    Pretty much everyone else, whether we liked the selection or not, they weren't reaches.

    One last point on the BPA topic. Frankly, half of us would lose our minds if BPA was Bijan Robinson and the team actually took him.
    Joel would cheer if Bijan Robinson were taken.

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    • hawaiiansteel
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 35651

      #17
      Originally posted by feltdizz
      You are stealing his Steal of the draft rant dude.
      it's comical at this point, we should make a over/under poll next year to predict when this thread will be posted.

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      • feltdizz
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 27564

        #18
        Originally posted by Oviedo
        This problem can be solved if they just ask all the smart people on message boards what to do
        or if all those smart people used their brains and realized no one actually believes we always pick BPA.

        The draft happens every year and we pick a lot of positions for a reason. Lecturing fans that their team isn’t special and is just like other teams is weird.
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        • feltdizz
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 27564

          #19
          Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
          Truly drafting BPA is what you do when you're really strong and don't have many deficiencies. They haven't legit drafted BPA in years because lately, there's always a weakness. And with that, it's BPA at a position of need.

          For the most part, I don't see that the Steelers have necessarily reached - they've just missed. Devin Bush was considered a 1st rounder. He simply didn't pan out. Same with Jarvis Jones.

          In the last 20+ years, the only true reach that I can think of is Artie Burns who graded out as 2nd/3rd round prospect by most. They were so focused on William Jackson and when he was sniped by Cincy, frankly they seemed to panic.

          Pretty much everyone else, whether we liked the selection or not, they weren't reaches.

          One last point on the BPA topic. Frankly, half of us would lose our minds if BPA was Bijan Robinson and the team actually took him.
          Muth is a prime example of BPA. People are still mad we didn’t select Creed

          and one can say Pickens was also BPA. That wasn’t a position of need compared to other holes we had on the team.

          I think if anything, BPA at a position of need is a lot of words for simply taking a player you need. Why would you not try to select the best player available at a position of need? Seems redundant.
          Steelers 27
          Rats 16

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          • SteelerOfDeVille
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 9069

            #20
            Originally posted by feltdizz
            Muth is a prime example of BPA. People are still mad we didn’t select Creed

            and one can say Pickens was also BPA. That wasn’t a position of need compared to other holes we had on the team.

            I think if anything, BPA at a position of need is a lot of words for simply taking a player you need. Why would you not try to select the best player available at a position of need? Seems redundant.
            *steelers trade up and take a QB*
            2013 MNF Executive Champion!

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            • blacknblue80s
              Starter
              • May 2008
              • 515

              #21
              Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
              Truly drafting BPA is what you do when you're really strong and don't have many deficiencies. They haven't legit drafted BPA in years because lately, there's always a weakness. And with that, it's BPA at a position of need.

              For the most part, I don't see that the Steelers have necessarily reached - they've just missed. Devin Bush was considered a 1st rounder. He simply didn't pan out. Same with Jarvis Jones.

              In the last 20+ years, the only true reach that I can think of is Artie Burns who graded out as 2nd/3rd round prospect by most. They were so focused on William Jackson and when he was sniped by Cincy, frankly they seemed to panic.

              Pretty much everyone else, whether we liked the selection or not, they weren't reaches.

              One last point on the BPA topic. Frankly, half of us would lose our minds if BPA was Bijan Robinson and the team actually took him.
              I would consider Terrell Edmonds a reach but he at least has been a solid player.
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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27564

                #22
                Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                *steelers trade up and take a QB*
                I think some Steeler fans want this to happen.
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • papillon
                  Legend
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 11340

                  #23
                  Here's my question to the non-BPA crowd. The Steelers biggest needs and I think we can all agree on this are ILB, OT and CB, there doesn't seem to be a 1.17 ILB in this year's draft and its a real possibility that the top 2 or 3 OTs and CBs will be long gone by 1.17. Here's the question, Lets say that one of the top 2 Edge players and/or WRs is available, which would in all likelihood make them the BPA, would you take the 3rd or 4th best CB, OT or reach for an ILB rather than taking a Van Ness or Addison or Carter?

                  Certainly the Steelers don't just draft the BPA that would be foolish but if your positions of need get drafted prior to you and your left with potentially great players at a non-position of need, you take the BPA, imo.

                  Pappy
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                  The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                  1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                  3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                  3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                  4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                  5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                  7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

                  "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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                  • whatever
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2019
                    • 5795

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Oviedo
                    This problem can be solved if they just ask all the smart people on message boards what to do
                    Obviously you won’t be getting a call.
                    How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                    • SteelerOfDeVille
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 9069

                      #25
                      Originally posted by papillon
                      Here's my question to the non-BPA crowd. The Steelers biggest needs and I think we can all agree on this are ILB, OT and CB, there doesn't seem to be a 1.17 ILB in this year's draft and its a real possibility that the top 2 or 3 OTs and CBs will be long gone by 1.17. Here's the question, Lets say that one of the top 2 Edge players and/or WRs is available, which would in all likelihood make them the BPA, would you take the 3rd or 4th best CB, OT or reach for an ILB rather than taking a Van Ness or Addison or Carter?

                      Certainly the Steelers don't just draft the BPA that would be foolish but if your positions of need get drafted prior to you and your left with potentially great players at a non-position of need, you take the BPA, imo.

                      Pappy
                      I'm not sure why this is even a thread... it's not actually what anyone around these parts want
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                      • whatever
                        Legend
                        • Sep 2019
                        • 5795

                        #26
                        Lol…. You can see who are the ones that always say this by their responses to this post…
                        I singly handedly was able to mostly eliminate the ‘steal of the draft’ rubbish that they use to spew by calling them out and making fun of them.
                        My next goal is to continue to educate them on the Steelers draft philosophy and how it’s no different than any other team.
                        How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                        • feltdizz
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 27564

                          #27
                          Originally posted by papillon
                          Here's my question to the non-BPA crowd. The Steelers biggest needs and I think we can all agree on this are ILB, OT and CB, there doesn't seem to be a 1.17 ILB in this year's draft and its a real possibility that the top 2 or 3 OTs and CBs will be long gone by 1.17. Here's the question, Lets say that one of the top 2 Edge players and/or WRs is available, which would in all likelihood make them the BPA, would you take the 3rd or 4th best CB, OT or reach for an ILB rather than taking a Van Ness or Addison or Carter?

                          Certainly the Steelers don't just draft the BPA that would be foolish but if your positions of need get drafted prior to you and your left with potentially great players at a non-position of need, you take the BPA, imo.

                          Pappy
                          its rather obvious how we draft.

                          No one is suggesting we use a ouiji board and touch the draft board to see what name is illuminated while playing Renegade backwards to make our selection.
                          Steelers 27
                          Rats 16

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                          • papillon
                            Legend
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 11340

                            #28
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            its rather obvious how we draft.

                            No one is suggesting we use a ouiji board and touch the draft board to see what name is illuminated while playing Renegade backwards to make our selection.
                            I'm not sure about the Quija board statement some folks think the Steelers are completely inept at drafting for the most part and get lucky on occasion.

                            Pappy
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                            The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                            1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                            3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                            3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                            4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                            5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                            7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

                            "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27564

                              #29
                              Originally posted by whatever
                              Lol…. You can see who are the ones that always say this by their responses to this post…
                              I singly handedly was able to mostly eliminate the ‘steal of the draft’ rubbish that they use to spew by calling them out and making fun of them.
                              My next goal is to continue to educate them on the Steelers draft philosophy and how it’s no different than any other team.
                              What the hell are you singly handedly doing? Every year we have a Steal of the Draft.

                              Your post will not stop this tradition. I think it actually has the opposite effect.

                              We will always have a Steal of the Draft now just to piss you off.
                              Steelers 27
                              Rats 16

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                              • whatever
                                Legend
                                • Sep 2019
                                • 5795

                                #30
                                Originally posted by feltdizz
                                What the hell are you singly handedly doing? Every year we have a Steal of the Draft.

                                Your post will not stop this tradition. I think it actually has the opposite effect.

                                We will always have a Steal of the Draft now just to piss you off.
                                Great. And I’ll continue to laugh at you.
                                It’s amazing how certain fans praise every draft and make fun of other teams drafts.
                                Guess what, those yeahs have fans just like you claiming their draft was great and ours was garbage.
                                How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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