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  • NJ-STEELER
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    • May 2008
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    winners and losers DBs

    Winners

    Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon I'll just say it -- Gonzalez solidified himself as CB1 in this class with his showing in Indianapolis. What I mean by that is, most people and teams will have him as CB1, and he'll most likely be the first cornerback off the board. At 6-foot-1 and 197 pounds, the former Colorado-turned-Oregon star ran 4.38 with a 41.5-inch vertical and 11-foot-1 broad jump. He's drawn Patrick Surtain II comparisons from some analysts out there and tested a little better.

    Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland: Running 4.35 with a 42-inch vertical and 11-foot-4 broad jump will get you drafted in the first round at corner in most situations. Banks has quality size, too, at 6-foot and 197 pounds with arms just under the 32-inch threshold many teams have today. We all expected Banks to test like a gazelle this weekend, and he did.


    Jartavius Martin, S, Illinois: Martin's 44-inch vertical is the highest to date at this year's combine, and his 11-foot-1 broad was tops among safeties. Dude has bunnies as they used to say during my high-school days. Oh, he also ran 4.46 and had a blisteringly fast 1.47 10-yard split, also tops at his position. He'll instantly be one of the most explosive safeties in the NFL this fall.

    Jakorian Bennett, CB, Maryland: Banks was supposed to be the headlining corner from Maryland. Bennett channeled his inner Lee Corso and said "not so fast, my friend." Bennett ran the second-fastest 40-yard-dash time (4.30 seconds) with a 40.5-inch vertical -- just 1.5 inches lower than Banks -- and an 11-foot-1 broad. These Terrapins play with rockets on the top of their shells


    Julius Brents, CB, Kansas State: Brents was 6-foot-3 and 198 pounds with ridiculous, offensive-tackle like 34-inch arms at the weigh in. Then he approached rarified Bryon Jones territory with an 11-foot-6 broad which initially reads like a typo but is indeed not. He had an 41.5-inch vertical and ran a solid 4.53 in the 40, too. Most corners as large as Brents aren't as explosive as he is.

    Sydney Brown, S, Illinois: Brown rocked at the Senior Bowl and continued the acing of the pre-draft process with his combine workout. At a stocky 5-foot-10 and 210 pounds, Brown cruised to a cornerback-like 4.47 in the 40 and had a stunning 40.5-inch vertical with a 10-foot-10 broad jump. He is a three-down, multi-level safety who can do it all.

    DJ Turner, CB, Michigan: The award for fastest 40 among corners -- which could eventually be the fastest among every combine participant () -- goes to Turner, who flew to a 4.26. He will make many go back to the film because he didn't look quite that fast on film. But the number is the number.

    Losers

    Joey Porter Jr., CB, Penn State: From a measurement perspective, Porter and his gartanuanly long 34-inch arms were obvious winners. Working out, not so much for the Penn State stud with NFL bloodlines, especially when comparing to his cornerback contemporaries in this class. The 10-foot-9 broad is nothing to be ashamed of, however in this atomic group of athletic corners, it placed 12th. His broad jump? Tied for 18th. Look, this isn't a stock-plummeting effort; it just didn't stack up to the other perceived top corners in the class.

    Christopher Smith III, S, Georgia: Smith spent a long time patrolling the deep middle on some epically-loaded Kirby Smart defenses at Georgia. Captain. He probably crushed his team interviews. Running 4.66 with a 33-inch vertical and 9-foot-8 broad jump don't scream big-time athlete, which will hurt his otherwise squeaky clean draft stock.
    Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia: Ringo ran 4.36, so it wasn't all bad for the Georgia star. However, based on the immensely high expectations, the 4.36 was a little disappointing, and his jumps -- 33.5-inch vertical and 10-foot-2 in the broad -- were surprisingly not good. Ringo doesn't mirror outstandingly. His game is almost fully predicated on his burst and long speed. Wish we would've seen a better overall showing from him. I assume he feels similarly.
    The 2023 NFL Draft will be held April 27-29 in Kansas City, Missouri.
    Last edited by NJ-STEELER; 03-04-2023, 02:11 AM.
  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
    • 35648

    #2
    since Porter didn't test off the charts, he may now be still available when we draft at #17.

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    • NJ-STEELER
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      • May 2008
      • 12563

      #3
      Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
      since Porter didn't test off the charts, he may now be still available when we draft at #17.
      i was thinking 32, but that's probably wishful thinking

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      • NJ-STEELER
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        • May 2008
        • 12563

        #4
        saw someone on twitter use the P word on safety sydney Brown


        polamalu

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        • feltdizz
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          • May 2008
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          #5
          Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
          since Porter didn't test off the charts, he may now be still available when we draft at #17.
          Georgia CB ran a 4.36 and dude said it was disappointing? damn
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          • Iron City Inc.
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            • Jun 2013
            • 3237

            #6
            Martin's tape is not that good. He is undersized. When test #'s are so good perhaps he wasn't healthy this year. I'll try to look at some film and dig a bit on him.
            Rush is a real good cover guy who tested well. He should not be overlooked.

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            • WindyCitySteel
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              • Nov 2011
              • 15684

              #7
              Disappointing about Porter, I was hoping we could finally land a CB who could broad jump over the LOS and sack the QB.

              Big red flag for anyone who skyrockets up the board after drills. With all that athletic ability, why were you so far down the board in the first place, based on your tape of playing tackle football against college kids?

              Do you think that gets easier in the NFL?

              Physical upside always trumps football smarts come draft time.

              Here's a few clips of Porter playing against a couple of first round picks who had great rookie seasons at the NFL level:

              Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 03-04-2023, 09:11 AM.

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              • feltdizz
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                • May 2008
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                #8
                Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                Disappointing about Porter, I was hoping we could finally land a CB who could broad jump over the LOS and sack the QB.

                Big red flag for anyone who skyrockets up the board after drills. With all that athletic ability, why were you so far down the board in the first place, based on your tape of playing tackle football against college kids?

                Do you think that gets easier in the NFL?

                Physical upside always trumps football smarts come draft time.

                Here's a few clips of Porter playing against a couple of first round picks who had great rookie seasons at the NFL level:

                https://twitter.com/NoFlagsFilm/stat...157584385?s=20
                This is what some people don’t like about the combine. All that tape but he only
                jumped X amount in a drill or only ran a 4.4.

                Some people test well but suck on game day and some play well but suck at taking physical test.

                I would always put tape above arm length or broad jump in shorts.
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                • Oviedo
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                  • May 2008
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                  Disappointing about Porter, I was hoping we could finally land a CB who could broad jump over the LOS and sack the QB.

                  Big red flag for anyone who skyrockets up the board after drills. With all that athletic ability, why were you so far down the board in the first place, based on your tape of playing tackle football against college kids?

                  Do you think that gets easier in the NFL?

                  Physical upside always trumps football smarts come draft time.

                  Here's a few clips of Porter playing against a couple of first round picks who had great rookie seasons at the NFL level:

                  https://twitter.com/NoFlagsFilm/stat...157584385?s=20

                  porter will still be viewed as a Top 3 CB in this draft. Real football people will look at the tape and see that this past season the teams they played wouldn't throw to his side of the field. That was for a reason.
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • feltdizz
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                    • May 2008
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Oviedo
                    porter will still be viewed as a Top 3 CB in this draft. Real football people will look at the tape and see that this past season the teams they played wouldn't throw to his side of the field. That was for a reason.
                    Maybe the other side was so bad they chose to not throw to Porters side?

                    I don’t believe that but I’m sure believe it could be the reason.

                    I’m still on the fence with Porter but its because I think Big10 QB play is disgustingly awful. Its a chore to watch 98% of those QB’s play in that conference.
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                    • NorthCoast
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                      • Sep 2008
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                      #11
                      Look at the guy that played opposite Porter. More passes defensed, more INTs in only two seasons.

                      In any case, as I said in another post the risk/reward for Rd 1 CBs is too great unless it is the last piece to building a championship team. The Steelers are not one player away. OL, DL, ILB.

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                      • WindyCitySteel
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                        • Nov 2011
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by NorthCoast
                        Look at the guy that played opposite Porter. More passes defensed, more INTs in only two seasons.
                        Yeah, he was so good teams kept throwing at him to avoid Porter.

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                        • feltdizz
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                          • May 2008
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by NorthCoast
                          Look at the guy that played opposite Porter. More passes defensed, more INTs in only two seasons.

                          In any case, as I said in another post the risk/reward for Rd 1 CBs is too great unless it is the last piece to building a championship team. The Steelers are not one player away. OL, DL, ILB.
                          whoever is on the other side of a good CB should have more stats because they are being “picked on”

                          I think the real stat to look for is completion rate and average ypc by opponents.
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                          • feltdizz
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                            • May 2008
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                            Yeah, he was so good teams kept throwing at him to avoid Porter.
                            its like an OLB who is good against the run so the team runs to the other side. “Look at all the tackles the other OLB had!!!”

                            Kinda weird to see someone make this argument and think its a good point
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                            • NorthCoast
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                              • Sep 2008
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              its like an OLB who is good against the run so the team runs to the other side. “Look at all the tackles the other OLB had!!!”

                              Kinda weird to see someone make this argument and think its a good point
                              Porter was targeted 29 times and allowed 12 completions in 2022. His 'deserved catch rate' was 55%. Good numbers, not lockdown.

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