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  • whisper
    Legend
    • Mar 2020
    • 9423

    Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
    lol

    check the sig for post game comments.
    hypocrite.

    he the fukin head coach.
    hiw many times have we’ve seen a big play, him celebrating or fist bumping and then having a delay of game penalty on the next play?
    we don’t need a cheerleader.
    we need some one in that position to guide the team.
    Wa-boom, gimmee some whiskey in dat ting.

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    • hawaiiansteel
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 35638

      Alex Kozora
      @Alex_Kozora

      The Steelers' offense did lead the league in one category this year.

      No team averaged more plays per drive than Pittsburgh's 6.51. And no team had more 10+ play drives than the Steelers' 45. Kinda crazy.

      Now finishing those drives...it's a different story. #Steelers

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      • WindyCitySteel
        Legend
        • Nov 2011
        • 15676

        Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
        Alex Kozora
        @Alex_Kozora

        The Steelers' offense did lead the league in one category this year.

        No team averaged more plays per drive than Pittsburgh's 6.51. And no team had more 10+ play drives than the Steelers' 45. Kinda crazy.

        Now finishing those drives...it's a different story. #Steelers

        https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora?ref_...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
        The solution will simply be to "execute better" on the latter 6 plays of every drive, when it should be scheming open free yards and splash.

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        • hawaiiansteel
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 35638

          Whaley wants more

          Former Steelers executive and ex-Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley didn’t have much good to say about the Steelers offense during a recent appearance on 93.7 The Fan.

          “The offensive system and game planning leaves a lot to be desired,” Whaley said Wednesday. “Do you ever see the Steelers offense setting up a play 50 minutes before? Do you ever see the Steelers offense putting a guy in motion to expose what the defense is doing and being able to take advantage of that weakness of the defense that they found out by motioning? No. They just use motion to say I am doing motion to give guys extra steps on their watch.”

          That became a frequent complaint about Canada’s offense last year — that it would just go in motion for the sake of it — with no real purpose and bring an extra defender into the box. Then that player would be there to help make a tackle as the Steelers ran right into it.

          Just last week, Hall of Fame running back Jerome Bettis was also critical of the Steelers offense over the last three years.

          Thursday’s “First Call” has more criticism of the Pittsburgh Steelers offense from another former employee. Damar Hamlin is wrapped up in an off-field controversy. Brian Flores speaks about his time in Pittsburgh while accepting his new job. And an old friend of the Steelers may be getting back into coaching.

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          • Buzz
            Legend
            • Dec 2017
            • 8366

            Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
            Whaley wants more

            Former Steelers executive and ex-Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley didn’t have much good to say about the Steelers offense during a recent appearance on 93.7 The Fan.

            “The offensive system and game planning leaves a lot to be desired,” Whaley said Wednesday. “Do you ever see the Steelers offense setting up a play 50 minutes before? Do you ever see the Steelers offense putting a guy in motion to expose what the defense is doing and being able to take advantage of that weakness of the defense that they found out by motioning? No. They just use motion to say I am doing motion to give guys extra steps on their watch.”

            That became a frequent complaint about Canada’s offense last year — that it would just go in motion for the sake of it — with no real purpose and bring an extra defender into the box. Then that player would be there to help make a tackle as the Steelers ran right into it.

            Just last week, Hall of Fame running back Jerome Bettis was also critical of the Steelers offense over the last three years.

            https://triblive.com/sports/first-ca...n-to-coaching/
            nah, he's obviously just a hater

            Steelers' offense is in fine hands, totally on the right track ... Canada is a genius, and he'll reveal his genius-ness once the players have matured enough to handle it, you'll see
            And if not, well, he's off the hook anyway, because everyone knows stuff like offensive philosophy and play design and play-calling don't really matter, it's really all and only about players executing

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            • Eich
              Legend
              • Jul 2010
              • 7038

              Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
              That became a frequent complaint about Canada’s offense last year — that it would just go in motion for the sake of it — with no real purpose and bring an extra defender into the box. Then that player would be there to help make a tackle as the Steelers ran right into it.
              OUCH. The criticisms of Canada's JV offense keep piling up. Someone should make a list of the references who have called this out. It's becoming overwhelming.

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              • hawaiiansteel
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 35638

                The 2022 Steeler's offensive tendencies:

                -Exclusively 11/12 personnel
                -Canada doesn't run motion quite as much as you might think
                -TONS of short dropbacks and designed rollouts for Pickett
                -Gap runs? Never heard of her
                -We runnin that bitch into stacked boxes



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                • NorthCoast
                  Legend
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 26629

                  Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                  The 2022 Steeler's offensive tendencies:

                  -Exclusively 11/12 personnel
                  -Canada doesn't run motion quite as much as you might think
                  -TONS of short dropbacks and designed rollouts for Pickett
                  -Gap runs? Never heard of her
                  -We runnin that bitch into stacked boxes



                  Interesting. #1 in stacked box positive play %. And they are a very good zone run team.

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                  • WindyCitySteel
                    Legend
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 15676

                    Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                    The 2022 Steeler's offensive tendencies:

                    -Exclusively 11/12 personnel
                    -Canada doesn't run motion quite as much as you might think
                    -TONS of short dropbacks and designed rollouts for Pickett
                    -Gap runs? Never heard of her
                    -We runnin that bitch into stacked boxes

                    Poor Kenny, played in a straightjacket all year. Can't believe they brought that clown back at OC. They're just not serious about offensive football in the most explosive offensive era yet.

                    BTW, mad respect to SteelersDepot making a living off of other peoples' research and hard work. Wrap it in a short blog post, cash those checks!
                    Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 05-19-2023, 07:23 AM.

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                    • WindyCitySteel
                      Legend
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 15676

                      5th most runs into stacked boxes, 25th most into light boxes.

                      "kEnNY wAs aLLoWeD tO AUdiBLe"

                      If he was then he was really bad at it, but I think Muth let the cat out of the bag and they've been doing damage control since.

                      The genius of Brady most of his career was the rank simplicity of what he did - count the box and hit them where they ain't.
                      Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 05-19-2023, 07:29 AM.

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                      • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 10269

                        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                        Poor Kenny, played in a straightjacket all year. Can't believe they brought that clown back at OC
                        Right now there are kind of two schools of thought on this. Some say that Canada's awful performance as OC held Kenny and the O down. Some say that Canada was instructed to restrain the O. I don't think we have seen what will be Matt Canada's offense yet. I don't know if it will be any good, but I do believe that Ben's last season return pushed the timeline back a year, and we are just going to find out this year what this O will be.
                        http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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                        • Northern_Blitz
                          Legend
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 24358

                          Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                          Right now there are kind of two schools of thought on this. Some say that Canada's awful performance as OC held Kenny and the O down. Some say that Canada was instructed to restrain the O. I don't think we have seen what will be Matt Canada's offense yet. I don't know if it will be any good, but I do believe that Ben's last season return pushed the timeline back a year, and we are just going to find out this year what this O will be.
                          Unfortunately, it's not unreasonable to think that both the OC and QB will end up being below the line. But we can still hope (especially for KP, which is far more important IMO).

                          Was thinking about starting a new thread for this, but putting it here is maybe just as good. "Scout" review on Pickens.

                          Things I got from this (but watch it yourself because I'm sure there's confirmation bias here too):
                          • Has highlight reel ability, but be careful not to overhype from the highlights because there are still lots of things to work on.
                          • Ran an unreasonably high amount of Go and Corner routes very few in breaking routes like slants and posts. But success was high on the types of routes he ran, and not good for the ones he didn't (based on getting open and running the route, not targets / catches / things related to the QB)
                          • Pretty good against press coverage (69th percentile), below average against man (34the percentile), but very bad against zone (5th percentile) [High numbers good in percentile, low numbers bad]. Again, rated performance is about getting open not about getting targets / catches. Said at least part of the bad zone numbers are probably because he runs so many go type routes and has little variety (which is why I figured this was as good a place as any to put this).
                          • It's unfortunate that Pickens seems to struggle getting open on intermediate routes, because Picket also seems to struggle throwing intermediate passes. Again, while scheme plays a role here players also need to execute. This also seems to fit into the "both/and" rather than the "either/or" bucket.


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                          • SteelerOfDeVille
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 9069

                            Originally posted by NorthCoast
                            Interesting. #1 in stacked box positive play %. And they are a very good zone run team.
                            cuz Naj... nevermind... IYKYK
                            2013 MNF Executive Champion!

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                            • WindyCitySteel
                              Legend
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 15676

                              Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                              Right now there are kind of two schools of thought on this. Some say that Canada's awful performance as OC held Kenny and the O down. Some say that Canada was instructed to restrain the O. I don't think we have seen what will be Matt Canada's offense yet. I don't know if it will be any good, but I do believe that Ben's last season return pushed the timeline back a year, and we are just going to find out this year what this O will be.
                              I actually think Tomlin has his thumb on the offense, and Canada is his puppet, so in that regard when I say "bringing back Canada" I mean sticking with the same risk-averse, ultra-simple system.

                              They could have gotten Kenny's OC from Pitt, Mark Whipple, for a song to be the OC but it's just not the plan to play real NFL offense.

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                              • SteelerOfDeVille
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 9069

                                Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                                I actually think Tomlin has his thumb on the offense, and Canada is his puppet, so in that regard when I say "bringing back Canada" I mean sticking with the same risk-averse, ultra-simple system.

                                They could have gotten Kenny's OC from Pitt, Mark Whipple, for a song to be the OC but it's just not the plan to play real NFL offense.
                                There was some talk that the Steelers traditionally don't fire coordinators, they simply let their contracts expire and don't renew. This being his last season under contract, I could see that as a possibility.

                                If they gave serious consideration, it might look like this:
                                • Yes, the OC struggled. But I also know that he was limited in play-calling because he had a rookie that he was trying to save from rookie mistakes and INT
                                • If his plan is rollouts and such, he didn't have that capability with Ben, either. Ben really wasn't mobile at the end
                                • Ya know, young QBs who tend to have multiple OC tend to struggle as time passes; worse things could happen to KP than to spend another year under this guy
                                • With one more year, I expect to see the offense "in full" and if it continues to be bad, I've at least had time to evaluate KP in the NFL and to know what kind of OC would work for him

                                I'm not saying these are all the *right* decisions, but I could understand them
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