Expert Opinion - How Often Til You Make a Change

[flippy]

How long should a team stick with a head coach before they move on and hire a new one?

How much time should a team stick with a QB?

How long should they stick with a GM?

Other players?

Ive seen lots of opinions where people are willing to give a few games, one season, 1 contract. But I’m really curious what is fair?

We seem to get most passionate about our HCs and QBs.

Are the Steelers too patient? Should they listen more to the fan base that seems more decisive?

[WindyCitySteel]

This team has not won a playoff game since AB and his crew filmed the postgame in KC. That was a clear sign of lack of control of a locker room, the next year players where chirping about a rematch with NE before they even kicked off with Jax, I would have made a move after that embarrassing performance for which they were completely unprepared. Instead, we've watched several more since.

With Ben, after he shredded his elbow at age 37 it was time to find the next guy.

[feltdizz]

This team has not won a playoff game since AB and his crew filmed the postgame in KC. That was a clear sign of lack of control of a locker room, the next year players where chirping about a rematch with NE before they even kicked off with Jax, I would have made a move after that embarrassing performance for which they were completely unprepared. Instead, we've watched several more since.

With Ben, after he shredded his elbow at age 37 it was time to find the next guy.

this is dumb..

the next year after the KC playoff win the Steelers were 12-4.

How does that show undisciplined football?

They lost to the Jags in the regular season at home. Ben had 4 or 5 turnovers. They lost again to the Jags. Regardless of people chirping or looking past the Jags, clearly that Jags team was a bad matchup for the Steelers.

People talk about the Jags loss like we beat them by 40 in the regular season. That was a good Jags team who had our number. The problem is fans looked past the Jags and assumed the first loss was a fluke. Obviously it wasn’t.

[WindyCitySteel]

this is dumb..

the next year after the KC playoff win the Steelers were 12-4.

How does that show undisciplined football?

They lost to the Jags in the regular season at home. Ben had 4 or 5 turnovers. They lost again to the Jags. Regardless of people chirping or looking past the Jags, clearly that Jags team was a bad matchup for the Steelers.

People talk about the Jags loss like we beat them by 40 in the regular season. That was a good Jags team who had our number. The problem is fans looked past the Jags and assumed the first loss was a fluke. Obviously it wasn’t.

The Steelers came out flat and unprepared and overconfident vs. a team that beat them by 21. Of course you defend it.

[TheRealTazz864]

This team has not won a playoff game since AB and his crew filmed the postgame in KC. That was a clear sign of lack of control of a locker room, the next year players where chirping about a rematch with NE before they even kicked off with Jax, I would have made a move after that embarrassing performance for which they were completely unprepared. Instead, we've watched several more since.

With Ben, after he shredded his elbow at age 37 it was time to find the next guy.

THIS team has not PLAYED a playoff game. I think there are a lot of imagined causalities that have zero impact....
Ben had a bionic arm... His "best by" date should have been reset...

[feltdizz]

The Steelers came out flat and unprepared and overconfident vs. a team that beat them by 21. Of course you defend it.

I don’t defend it, I’ve moved on. It happened.

You guys have carried it around for the last 5 years like talking about it will change the outcome.

[flippy]

This team has not won a playoff game since AB and his crew filmed the postgame in KC. That was a clear sign of lack of control of a locker room, the next year players where chirping about a rematch with NE before they even kicked off with Jax, I would have made a move after that embarrassing performance for which they were completely unprepared. Instead, we've watched several more since.

With Ben, after he shredded his elbow at age 37 it was time to find the next guy.

We can look back after the fact and say Ben was done or the team didn’t win, but how did we know then?

Many people knew Cowher was done before he won a SuperBowl too, but now that’s not something anyone would admit to since he had success after his expiration date.

Im actually wondering in general when is the right time to move on. Not just the Steelers.

How does making a switch after and injury or after a playoff loss generally work for others. I’d guess most times it doesn’t work out.

There’s probably some % of time you get a turn around. There’s probably a lot more times change fails.

Sometimes maybe you take one more step in the playoffs. But it’s definitely not often you see teams making changes and winning SuperBowls. Sure it happens but that’s a long shot.

How does that long shot compare vs staying the course?

Probably much of the problem answering this is that most folks don’t have the patenice to stay the course.

To Felt’s point, the team returned to 12-4 after the playoff melt down. Should we really have expected statistically to get much better than that? I’m with you in the sense I would have wanted more, but statistically I don’t think we could have realistically hoped for something better and expected it.

At the end of the day, 1 of 32 teams win. Would bringing in someone else - coach or player improve our odds. I bet if you run the numbers our odd would have gotten worse with change.

????

[Northern_Blitz]

The Steelers came out flat and unprepared and overconfident vs. a team that beat them by 21. Of course you defend it.

Or maybe that team was just better than them? Particularly on defense (vs our offense) where they basically owned us in both games any time the score was within 10 pts.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Or maybe that team was just better than them? Particularly on defense (vs our offense) where they basically owned us in both games any time the score was within 10 pts.

The Jags played better that day. Without the turnovers the playing field would had been more even.

It generally boils down to how a team performs on game day regardless of records, stats, rankings, fan perceptions, ect.

[NJ-STEELER]

The Steelers came out flat and unprepared and overconfident vs. a team that beat them by 21. Of course you defend it.

yep. And of course no word on the coach overlooking the team. As he said on national tv.

[WindyCitySteel]

I don’t defend it, I’ve moved on. It happened.

You guys have carried it around for the last 5 years like talking about it will change the outcome.

Because they have been getting housed ever since in the playoffs.

[WindyCitySteel]

The Jags played better that day. Without the turnovers the playing field would had been more even.

It generally boils down to how a team performs on game day regardless of records, stats, rankings, fan perceptions, ect.

I guess Doug Marone had his team prepared better than HOF coach Mike Tomlin. Nobody stops Blake Bortles, you can only hope to contain him.

JFC, one of the worst losses in Steeler playoff history, and it just gets shrugged off by Steeler fans because "no losing seasons"!

[NJ-STEELER]

I guess Doug Marone had his team prepared better than HOF coach Mike Tomlin. Nobody stops Blake Bortles, you can only hope to contain him.

JFC, one of the worst losses in Steeler playoff history, and it just gets shrugged off by Steeler fans because "no losing seasons"!

13 games later, Blake the great was benched for Cody Kessler.

We had sone amazing defensive minds on that Steeler staff

[TheRealTazz864]

How long should a team stick with a head coach before they move on and hire a new one?

How much time should a team stick with a QB?

How long should they stick with a GM?

Other players?

Ive seen lots of opinions where people are willing to give a few games, one season, 1 contract. But I’m really curious what is fair?

We seem to get most passionate about our HCs and QBs.

Are the Steelers too patient? Should they listen more to the fan base that seems more decisive?

I didn't realize that there were so many experts who read this forum... I hope they apply at 1 Art Rooney Plaza...

[Oviedo]

How long should a team stick with a head coach before they move on and hire a new one?

How much time should a team stick with a QB?

How long should they stick with a GM?

Other players?

Ive seen lots of opinions where people are willing to give a few games, one season, 1 contract. But I’m really curious what is fair?

We seem to get most passionate about our HCs and QBs.

Are the Steelers too patient? Should they listen more to the fan base that seems more decisive?

let me help…they should never listen to fan opinions. You’re welcome