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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 26636

    Somewhere, Mason Rudolph is Smiling

    The Cleveland Browns star player, Myles Garrett, continues to make headlines for all the wrong reasons and it's becoming a major issue.


    Myles Garrett is becoming a problem for the Cleveland Browns
    by Chad Porto1 d ago
    Myles Garrett has fallen into “problematic territory” for the Cleveland Browns


    The Cleveland Browns have a problematic player in Myles Garrett. The All-Pro defensive end was suspended for a series on Saturday, and fined an undisclosed sum of money. Apparently, the series suspension was over the defensive end missing practice with an illness and never calling the Browns to notify them of said illness.


    This may appear to be no big deal, but considering his recent history, we can’t just pretend that there isn’t more to this. How easy is it to call your boss and tell them you’re too sick to work? Clearly, there was more behind him not showing up to work. But the real reason probably won’t ever be known.


    This capped off a year where Garrett made headlines for all the wrong reasons. Whether it was his disappearance on the field week to week, or how he was constantly in the headlines for tearing down past teammates or coaches. Not to mention the more severe issues.


    Keep in mind, we’re not even talking about all the other things Garrett has done in past years. Think about this. There’s a debate around Mac Jones, who had what, two plays, where he did something he shouldn’t do. Now he’s “dirty”. Garrett has purposefully caused two fights in the same season, and yet no one wants to point out that Garrett has issues.


    Curious.


    This year alone, Garrett has caused unnecessary controversies involving his treatment of former teammate Baker Mayfield after the quarterback was traded. He threw his coaches under the bus in a November loss, causing Kevin Stefanski to show the most emotion he’s ever shown (which isn’t saying much). He crashed his car driving recklessly, going well over 20 miles per hour on a two-lane road. He also has been fined for his hit on Mitch Trubisky, and while some will say Garrett did nothing wrong, Garrett has a history of late hits and dirty plays.


    Remember when he punched the Titans TE Delanie Walke? Or when he hit Trevor Siemian late and destroyed his ankle?


    Now, you throw in this benching, and fine?


    Myles Garrett’s image has been destroyed.
    Garrett’s image has been destroyed. He’ll never get past the Mason Rudolph assault. It’s the worst moment the Browns have ever been a part of on the field. Then you add on the car accident, the multiple speeding tickets where he’s breaking 100 miles per hour, the constant insults on his team and past teammates, and now his inability to follow team rules; how can you deny that Garrett’s image was anything more than a facade?


    For years people told us about how kind-hearted Garrett was. He was a poet, who himself claimed: “wouldn’t get in any trouble“. Well, he may write poetry but he’s one of the biggest troublemakers the Browns have ever had.


    Yet fans give him a pass because he can sometimes make a play, every so often, when the offense isn’t running the ball.


    Garrett’s behavior has got to change. There are no more excuses for this. The man nearly killed himself and an innocent person by being a reckless driver earlier this year. That type of behavior goes hand in hand with a lack of maturity. Not calling in sick to work, or lying about being sick to skip work, shows a serious lack of maturity. Which has always been his biggest issue.


    Remember when Garrett begged the Cowboys to draft him instead of the Browns? We all said that was immature then, and everyone said “this isn’t a red flag, he’ll grow up”. It’s been nearly seven years, and he still hasn’t grown up.


    Here we are, still talking about Garrett’s maturity issues. Garrett is an immature player who doesn’t make good decisions. It’s time he was held to the same standard as any other player.
  • Buzz
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    • Dec 2017
    • 8379

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    • Captain Lemming
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      • Jun 2008
      • 16041

      #3
      Originally posted by NorthCoast
      It may appear to be no big deal, but considering his recent history, we can’t just pretend that there isn’t more to this. How easy is it to call your boss and tell them you’re too sick to work?
      It is real easy. I call in sick all the time, whether I'm sick or n... wait...

      My new boss is a Steeler fan and I told him about this foru ...

      Ummm, nevermind, can someone please tell me how do you delete a post?
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      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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      • Eich
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        • Jul 2010
        • 7044

        #4
        Every time I watch Garrett hitting Mason, I cringe for how bad that really could have turned out. Imagine if a solid part of the helmet connected solidly with his head?

        Mason really got abused. Then shoved down from behind. I've never seen anything like that. Then he was accused of using a racial slur. What a $hit show that all was.

        Garrett's true colors seem to be on the ugly side.

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        • WindyCitySteel
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          • Nov 2011
          • 15684

          #5
          I have a lot of friends who are Browns fans, most if not all think he's overrated and that Watt is better.

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          • Captain Lemming
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            • Jun 2008
            • 16041

            #6
            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
            I have a lot of friends who are Browns fans, most if not all think he's overrated and that Watt is better.
            What do they know?

            Your football Bible pff says Garrett is better EVERY YEAR. They are NOT CLOSE.

            You defended it my friend.

            Watt was what, 4th at the position last season.

            EVEN BROWN FANS can see with their own eyes, Watt is better.

            Garrett IS overrated by who? Pff buddy.

            You ready to admit their scoring ain't the science they claim it is?
            Last edited by Captain Lemming; 12-29-2022, 10:49 AM.
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            In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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            • Northern_Blitz
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              • Dec 2008
              • 24373

              #7
              Originally posted by Captain Lemming
              What do they know?

              Your football Bible pff says Garrett is better EVERY YEAR. They are NOT CLOSE.

              You defended it my friend.

              Watt was what, 4th at the position last season.

              EVEN BROWN FANS can see with their own eyes, Watt is better.

              Garrett IS overrated by who? Pff buddy.

              You ready to admit their scoring ain't the science they claim it is?
              Not sure, but my guess is that PFF is better at comparing guys who play the same position.

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              • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                • May 2008
                • 10281

                #8
                Typical sports culture. The red flags were always there, but get ignored when a player produces at a high level. Now that he isn't playing so well, the shield of protection comes down and the attacks will begin. I think that this will be a tough off-season for him.
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                • whisper
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                  • Mar 2020
                  • 9423

                  #9
                  Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                  I have a lot of friends who are Browns fans, most if not all think he's overrated and that Watt is better.
                  I too have lot of Browns fans; they generally do not like him that much, say he only tries when it effects his personal sack #s and doesn't care about helping the team win - just getting his sack #s. Isn't it just like the Browns to end up with a "star" like that?

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                  • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                    • May 2008
                    • 10281

                    #10
                    Originally posted by whisper
                    I too have lot of Browns fans; they generally do not like him that much, say he only tries when it effects his personal sack #s and doesn't care about helping the team win - just getting his sack #s. Isn't it just like the Browns to end up with a "star" like that?
                    true, but those same people were the same ones saying that he was better than TJ and should have been DPOY over Donald and TJ in 2020. Fans are fickle.
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                    • Captain Lemming
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                      • Jun 2008
                      • 16041

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                      Not sure, but my guess is that PFF is better at comparing guys who play the same position.
                      They are all "compared" as "edge rushers". Pff makes no distinct between Outside backers and ends who are "edge rushers". They use it, not me.

                      Even IF they played ENTIRELY DIFFERENT positions- should say T Edmonds have a higher pff score than TJ last year? The scores are supposed to show how well you play a position period. TJs 89 means he is an inferior edge player than Garrett's 91 last season. Was that true?

                      You want an EXACT position comp?

                      What position did Von Miller play last season? The aging vet had a higher pff grade than the history making performance by TJ.

                      I'm not one who thinks pff hates the Steelers, I just think their formula is flawed.

                      It dismisses GREAT core competencies and overvalues flaws in less significant areas. It judges to harshly a flawed attempt versus zero impact.

                      Example is missed tackles. If you are ALWAYS around the ball and get a hand on people you have no business catching it is a missed tackle no matter if you had a tough angle because you came across the field to get there.

                      You look better if you weren't involved at all.

                      I am convinced that this is why Minkah was listed as among the leagues worst safeties while leading all secondary players in tackles last season.

                      And before you CORRECTLY assert it was because the front 7 was trash, why was his score LOWER THAN Edmonds?

                      Minkah is punished for failing to make tackles he has no business having to make.

                      That is ridiculous.
                      Last edited by Captain Lemming; 12-30-2022, 05:15 PM.
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                      • feltdizz
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                        • May 2008
                        • 27532

                        #12
                        Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                        true, but those same people were the same ones saying that he was better than TJ and should have been DPOY over Donald and TJ in 2020. Fans are fickle.
                        I think we all do this with players on our teams. We either inflate or deflate their contributions based on how many games we win.
                        Steelers 27
                        Rats 16

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                        • feltdizz
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                          • May 2008
                          • 27532

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                          They are all "compared" as "edge rushers". Pff makes no distinct between Outside backers and ends who are "edge rushers". They use it, not me.

                          Even IF they played ENTIRELY DIFFERENT positions- should say T Edmonds have a higher pff score than TJ last year? The scores are supposed to show how well you play a position period. TJs 89 means he is an inferior edge player than Garrett's 91 last season. Was that true?

                          You want an EXACT position comp?

                          What position did Von Miller play last season? The aging vet had a higher pff grade than the history making performance by TJ.

                          I'm not one who thinks pff hates the Steelers, I just think their formula is flawed.

                          It dismisses GREAT core competencies and overvalues flaws in less significant areas. It judges to harshly a flawed attempt versus zero impact.

                          Example is missed tackles. If you are ALWAYS around the ball and get a hand on people you have no business catching it is a missed tackle no matter if you had a tough angle because you came across the field to get there.

                          You look better if you weren't involved at all.

                          I am convinced that this is why Minkah was listed as among the leagues worst safeties while leading all secondary players in tackles last season.

                          And before you CORRECTLY assert it was because the front 7 was trash, why was his score LOWER THAN Edmonds?

                          Minkah is punished for failing to make tackles he has no business having to make.

                          That is ridiculous.
                          I’m not a PFF fan but I wonder if having 22.5 sacks clouds our view of Watt last year. Our rush defense wasn’t good last year. Teams were using Watt’s upfield rush against him on some running plays.

                          There were games where Watt disappeared or maybe he left at halftime due to injury.

                          Not sure if there is a bias on PFF’s part or on our part as fans of the team.
                          Steelers 27
                          Rats 16

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                          • Captain Lemming
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                            • Jun 2008
                            • 16041

                            #14
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            I think we all do this with players on our teams. We either inflate or deflate their contributions based on how many games we win.
                            Two words.
                            BRUCE ARIANS.
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                            In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                            TCFCLTC-
                            The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                            • Captain Lemming
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                              • Jun 2008
                              • 16041

                              #15
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              I’m not a PFF fan but I wonder if having 22.5 sacks clouds our view of Watt last year. Our rush defense wasn’t good last year. Teams were using Watt’s upfield rush against him on some running plays.

                              There were games where Watt disappeared or maybe he left at halftime due to injury.

                              Not sure if there is a bias on PFF’s part or on our part as fans of the team.
                              It is not a bias of Steeler fans. I'd suggest 90 percent of ALL FANS know (don't think) TJ was better.

                              Not just the record, people knew this in 2020 when pff ALSO had Garrett higher than TJ.

                              Not suggesting pff bias, just a flawed system.

                              Your criticism of TJ is 100 percent legit in my view. I suggested this for a couple years now when comparing him to peak JH.

                              But that said, TJ does "risk reward" with very high reward.

                              He not only gets sacks, tackles for loss is insane. That aggressiveness to get penetration DOES get him beat ON OCCASION.

                              But his tackles for lost are huge. And HE is individually a large factor for our success versus Lamarr.

                              TJ is not the prime reason our run D can struggle. You dont see a pattern where most big runs are his fault. But it does happen once in awhile.

                              The biggest problem with the run D is ALWAYS gonna be inside.

                              If the interior run d was solid, run D ain't a problem.

                              I don't think I'd trade away the reward for "safe".
                              Last edited by Captain Lemming; 12-30-2022, 05:53 PM.
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                              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                              TCFCLTC-
                              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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