Ravens Had 3.3x the Rushing Yards.

[NorthCoast]

Put the blame where it belongs;

Steelers inside backers Myles Jack and Devin Bush have combined for precisely zero forced fumbles, zero fumble recoveries, zero sacks and zero interceptions, Ravens inside backers Smith and Patrick Queen combined for three such plays IN THE FIRST HALF.

[Northern_Blitz]

The great Steelers defenses always worked when they had studs at ILB. It's been many years since they've had one. Meanwhile the Ravens go out and grab Smith to instantly change theirs.
But I get it. They are are more than an ILB away from being a playoff contender so it's a moot point.

Smith is a one year rental, right?

I don't think those are the kind of moves we should be making in the middle of a year like this one.

ILB is high in the list in the off season imo. Maybe the first pick? I know we all want an offensive lineman, but all our guys are under contract for next year.

Maybe the team will see ilb as a more glaring need?

[WindyCitySteel]

Before this loss they went 3 of 4 after his last rant on October 30th

Not because of the Run D, which gave up 256 yards to Indy and Atlanta in wins, and then bottomed out yesterday.

[feltdizz]

Missed the game but I swear if I hear another person say we don’t need a traditional NT after getting walked over because he doesn’t play every down.. smh.

[Eich]

Missed the game but I swear if I hear another person say we don’t need a traditional NT after getting walked over because he doesn’t play every down.. smh.

Well, it's been a long time since we had one and Tomlin is supposed to be the defensive guru. So, either they're nearly impossible to find these days or Tomlin doesn't think we need one. Either way, I won't be holding my breath for the next Hampton.

[NJ-STEELER]

Well, it's been a long time since we had one and Tomlin is supposed to be the defensive guru. So, either they're nearly impossible to find these days or Tomlin doesn't think we need one. Either way, I won't be holding my breath for the next Hampton.

bingo.
how many teams out there have this type of guy?

[hackjam]

Yeah people say we barely play the traditional 3-4....well when it matters the most like the last 2 Ravens drive with a 3rd string QB scared to throw a run stuffing NT would have come in handy over say a versatile LB/S like Marcus Allen.

Yeah I'm coming around on this one a bit. Ideally they'd be an every down player but it's probably not be as much of a luxury as I was asserting it was around draft time. From a quick look at draft prospect lists, T'Vondre Sweat, Siake Ika, and Mazi Smith seem to have the traditional NT build.

I still think it may be easier to find 1 techs and 3 techs more consistently. True two gap NTs are rare in college football. Looking at the current roster Leal is a 3/5 tech. Loudermilk has more of a 3 tech build. Heyward has played more like a 3 tech for about a decade. They're probably picking too late to have a shot at Jalen Carter now. Maybe Bresee would drop to the middle of the first.

Frankly, it may be time to phase out the 3-4 concepts if they can't find that NT. 40 years of running a 3-4 is a good run.

[hackjam]

Smith is a one year rental, right?

I don't think those are the kind of moves we should be making in the middle of a year like this one.

ILB is high in the list in the off season imo. Maybe the first pick? I know we all want an offensive lineman, but all our guys are under contract for next year.

Maybe the team will see ilb as a more glaring need?

His contract is expiring but I don't think you make a trade like that if you're not planning to extend.

I think they need to build from the inside out. Start with the OL/DL then get into the rest of it. If their first three picks were OL, DT, LB or corner I'd be happy.

["BuzzNuter"]

His contract is expiring but I don't think you make a trade like that if you're not planning to extend.

I think they need to build from the inside out. Start with the OL/DL then get into the rest of it. If their first three picks were OL, DT, LB or corner I'd be happy.

Exactly, if you don't have D-lineman in a 3-4 that occupy the O-lineman, it doesn't matter who you have at ILB. They will always have bodies on them. D-linemen that want to rush the passer and standup and swat can't defend the run. The O Linemen just bump them and move to the ILB.Check and see how many sacks Casey H had or Aaron Smith. You might be surprised. Those guys went though O-linemen not around. They plugged holes. The Olinemen couldn't get to the second level.

That is what 3-4 D linemen do. If the Steelers don't like that old time concept then move on and go to a 4-3. Am I wrong about my understanding?

[whisper]

Exactly, if you don't have D-lineman in a 3-4 that occupy the O-lineman, it doesn't matter who you have at ILB. They will always have bodies on them. D-linemen that want to rush the passer and standup and swat can't defend the run. The O Linemen just bump them and move to the ILB.Check and see how many sacks Casey H had or Aaron Smith. You might be surprised. Those guys went though O-linemen not around. They plugged holes. The Olinemen couldn't get to the second level.

That is what 3-4 D linemen do. If the Steelers don't like that old time concept then move on and go to a 4-3. Am I wrong about my understanding?

No, you are right on point, but this team doesn't get it, obviously.

[hackjam]

Exactly, if you don't have D-lineman in a 3-4 that occupy the O-lineman, it doesn't matter who you have at ILB. They will always have bodies on them. D-linemen that want to rush the passer and standup and swat can't defend the run. The O Linemen just bump them and move to the ILB.Check and see how many sacks Casey H had or Aaron Smith. You might be surprised. Those guys went though O-linemen not around. They plugged holes. The Olinemen couldn't get to the second level.

That is what 3-4 D linemen do. If the Steelers don't like that old time concept then move on and go to a 4-3. Am I wrong about my understanding?

Traditionally, that's how the Steelers have approached that. It changed around the time LeBeau left. They've done a lot more one-gapping since then.

Wade Phillips has had a ton of success with his 3-4 though and that's largely a one-gap scheme. The MLBs have to be super strong, especially against the run, in that scheme. We do not have that.

It seems like they want to do a little bit of everything (3-4, 4-3, 4-2-5, 2-4-5) and it just turns to mediocrity.

[Steel Maniac]

Add Cam to the list of players who said the D didn’t execute (his exact word) today. It’s not an or situation. They lost because of mistakes (Mahommes won today with 3 interceptions) and they lost because they could not stop the run. 3 starters have said so. But we have posters on this board that know more than the men who played the actual game

We have ONE poster here who refuses to acknowledge we lost because we couldn't stop the run from a team that all they can do is run.

[Steel Maniac]

bingo.
how many teams out there have this type of guy?

Bingo!!!!!!!!!

[NorthCoast]

Ravens used a FB on almost 75% of snaps. The Steelers use a FB on almost 100% of ST. See the difference? This offense has no identity whatsoever.

And why did Bush have more snaps than Spillane if Spillane is the run stopping ILB?? Bush was tossed around like a ragdoll yesterday.

[NorthCoast]

Linderbaum with a PFF rating of 90+ for the day. That's about 20 pts higher than his season average.

DL upgrade needed.