To those rooting for a high draft pick

[WindyCitySteel]

Remember that the greatest draft in NFL history followed a 10-4 season. It's more about who's drafting than where they are drafting.

https://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/will-winning-now-hurt-steelers-in-next-draft-right-now-it-doesnt-matter/

[whisper]

Remember that the greatest draft in NFL history followed a 10-4 season. It's more about who's drafting than where they are drafting.

https://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/w...doesnt-matter/

Then we haven't had the right "who" drafting for several years. Do we now? A "bean counter" calling the shots? The smallest, cheapest scouting dept. in the NFL?

[WindyCitySteel]

I hope for your sake that they fail so you can be right.

[NJ-STEELER]

that staff actually knew what they were doing.

i'd like a high pick to lessen the chance of another mistake

[WindyCitySteel]

that staff actually knew what they were doing.

i'd like a high pick to lessen the chance of another mistake

We have no idea how Kahn and Weidl will affect the process.

[whisper]

We have no idea how Kahn and Weidl will affect the process.

Well, I at least hope they "try" in rounds 4-7. The past group seemed to give up by those picks, ignoring clear needs like OL and spending them frivolously on things like QBs who could have been easily been added as an UDFA. The pick was so bad he didn't even play a down in the preseason.

Oh, and they DRAFTED a cutsie brother who would have been there as an UDFA as well, the smallest TE in the NFL.

[feltdizz]

Well, I at least hope they "try" in rounds 4-7. The past group seemed to give up by those picks, ignoring clear needs like OL and spending them frivolously on things like QBs who could have been easily been added as an UDFA. The pick was so bad he didn't even play a down in the preseason.

Oh, and they DRAFTED a cutsie brother who would have been there as an UDFA as well, the smallest TE in the NFL.

Heyward looks fine to me when given opportunities.

[Iron City Inc.]

Bill Nunn new his stuff. I picked up a Bill Nunn HOFer shirt last year when I went to Canton for the first time. And they seemed to know how long guys would last in the draft back then.
Now we have a new player in OK. Who knows what will happen with him being more in the picture. Adapt or die. No rb's early, no undersized linemen and lets hope we are no longer a team who won't trade back.

[WindyCitySteel]

Well, I at least hope they "try" in rounds 4-7. The past group seemed to give up by those picks, ignoring clear needs like OL and spending them frivolously on things like QBs who could have been easily been added as an UDFA. The pick was so bad he didn't even play a down in the preseason.

Oh, and they DRAFTED a cutsie brother who would have been there as an UDFA as well, the smallest TE in the NFL.

If the Steelers tried to rebuild the OL with picks 4-7 they would be rightfully scorned.

[WindyCitySteel]

Rounds 5-7? I'm going RBs, kickers, punters. Low value positions at low value picks. Bring in a couple new backs every year.

[whisper]

If the Steelers tried to rebuild the OL with picks 4-7 they would be rightfully scorned.

Better than using NO picks which is what they did. Some great OLmen have been 4th round or later picks. Just need a nice mix, full of early and later picks. You sure won't hit on any when you dick around and take none and spend your picks on players who would be easily available as UDFAs on cutsie brother and clown QB picks.

[whisper]

Rounds 5-7? I'm going RBs, kickers, punters. Low value positions at low value picks. Bring in a couple new backs every year.

Good thing you're not in charge of dick. Punters and kickers don't even need to be drafted.

[Northern_Blitz]

Remember that the greatest draft in NFL history followed a 10-4 season. It's more about who's drafting than where they are drafting.

https://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/w...doesnt-matter/

I wouldn't say that I'm hoping for a high draft pick.

I would much rather have a competitive team.

But if the team is not competitive, I'd rather that we have a better chance at getting a superstar player. And I think the chances of that are much better toward the very top of the draft.

I think in sports with a cap, it's probably better to bottom out when you're bad vs. hang out at just below average for a long period of time. Never competing to win and making it harder to rebuild because you think you're close.

I think Rooney needs to see that we're bad for us to embrace a rebuild. And I think we need a real rebuild.

[Captain Lemming]

Well, I at least hope they "try" in rounds 4-7. The past group seemed to give up by those picks, ignoring clear needs like OL and spending them frivolously on things like QBs who could have been easily been added as an UDFA. The pick was so bad he didn't even play a down in the preseason.

Oh, and they DRAFTED a cutsie brother who would have been there as an UDFA as well, the smallest TE in the NFL.

I am going to back you on this one whisper.

You "might" spend a late pick to draft a likely free agent you fear would sign elsewhere given a choice. In this case, he'd be an easy sign, because of his brother.

I'd suggest he'd likely be a Steeler anyway had we drafted someone else.

That said, odds that a late pick amounts to anything is unlikely anyway.

[whisper]

I am going to back you on this one whisper.

You "might" spend a late pick to draft a likely free agent you fear would sign elsewhere given a choice. In this case, he'd be an easy sign, because of his brother.

I'd suggest he'd likely be a Steeler anyway had we drafted someone else.

That said, odds that a late pick amounts to anything is unlikely anyway.

"Unlikely?" Sure. But the league is replete with "unlikely" later round draft picks, so your odds increase when you take some position you really need more often than not. I do KNOW that if you take less swings, on an OT, for instance, you have a lesser chance of landing one who can play. THAT much I KNOW. It seems a lot of posters in here feel like the way the Steelers staff does: after round 3, picks are worthless and not worth spending much effort on. I wonder who is even making those picks, full of players who could have been taken in UDFA, like the QB who was so lightly regarded he didn't even get a snap in preseason. Or Heyward, who's brother was on the team and likely wasn't going to be drafted by ANY other team to begin with.

So, late picks on day 3 are irrelevant? Well, I DO think the OL NEEDs to be composed of JUST late round picks, as it kind of currently is (and is experiencing little success). But wasting later draft picks on obese punters, nobody QBs and cutsie brothers ain't cutting it. Later draft picks who were worthy?

Jesse James, TE, 5th round
Vince Williams, ILB 6th round - wish we had a young VW today, right now.
Kelvin Beachum, OT, 7th - not a world beater but not trash, been a starter in the league for 12 years
Antonio Brown, WR 6th round - one of the best WRs in the NFL
Chris Scott OT/OG 5th round
A.Q. Shipley C, 7th round - stuck around in the NFL for 8 years, playing
Chris Kemoeatu OG, 6th - started for 4 years in Pgh
Brett Kiesel DE, 7th - was a key player on DL for years
Clark Haggans LB, 5th - started on SB team
Deshea Townsend, CB 4th - steady starter for years
Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala RB 6th - good back up for 7 years
Darren Perry S 8th - a very solid starter for years, started as a rookie
Barry Foster RB 5th - at one time one of the best RBs in the history of the franchise

I won't even bother going back to the 70's & 80's where we know plenty of later draft picks made huge contributions. The point is, wasting later draft picks how they have lately is foolish and unwise. And their frivolous attitudes and behavior have gotten us where we are now, 3-6. But Shades sure looks good dancing to hip hop in the locker room.