NEWS: WEXELL, Steelers D-linemen holding back on one issue

[ANPSTEEL]

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2) Teams have finally figured out a blocking scheme that has neutralized his rush.

the ravens not only lined up the TE on his side most of the game, but replaced the TE with a OT (specifically, Adam Terry #7.

That is a pretty big commitment to one player- not only assigning two blockers to a LB, but removing one skill player each time to do it.


As far as the lack of holding penalties go, it is stupefying that any NFL team could go 6 games w/o a single holding penalty against it. This fact is magnified, all the more, when you consider that the Steelers have been in the top 5 all season long- in respect to sacking the QB.


James Harrison has pretty much joined the MMA, (stealing phrase from another thread) with all of the "Side Naked Chokes" he receives each game, that go uncalled.

When you consider:

- lets use an average of 70 offensive plays per game
- 420 total offensive plays
- lets say 50% of those are passing plays which increase the likely hood of holding by, lets say 50%
- So 210 running plays
- 210 passing plays (multiplied by the factor of 1.5) = 315

- So in affect it has been 525 plays without a holding penalty being called.

Even if you don't want to use the increased factor of 1.5 on passing plays- it is still next to impossible to go 420 plays with out one single holding penalty being called against the opposing team.

6 different games, multiple different crews- holding can be called on any play- yet not once in 420 plays has it happened.

Something is up-

[RKSteel]

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Something is up-

Does the NFL want James "I Don't Smile" Harrison, blue collar, hard working guy owning the single season sack record.

No, its wants high profile, media friendly players chasing the record.

[stlrz d]

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Does anybody have Wexell's email? In another post, I was asking if anybody had access to penalty stats and nobody can find anything on the net. If Jim has access, maybe he could/would take a gander at opponents holding penalties called in games other than the Steelers. If these teams regularly get called for holding EXCEPT when they play the Steelers best defense in the league, the refs have to be playing a little game with penalties.

If he wants to write about this topic, then THAT is something to bring up!

Very interesting point.

[Chemsteel]

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I have been told that the major reasoning is game time and offensive scoring. If they called holding on Harrison everytime he is held the game would be over 4 hours long. The NFL also wants more scoring than what is evolving.

How many holding calls are made on Dwight Freeny?

The Steelers know that calls not being made is a testament to their skill and defensive prowess.

I know it is not fair but Roger Goodell is not a partciularly fair man but all business.

[ANPSTEEL]

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I have been told that the major reasoning is game time and offensive scoring. If they called holding on Harrison everytime he is held the game would be over 4 hours long. The NFL also wants more scoring than what is evolving.

How many holding calls are made on Dwight Freeny?

The Steelers know that calls not being made is a testament to their skill and defensive prowess.

I know it is not fair but Roger Goodell is not a partciularly fair man but all business.

Chem-

I absolutely respect your opinions, and look forward to reading your posts....


I get "if holding were to be called, every time holding occurred" is not feasible; the game would decline to a flag fest- or every team would be down to their 3rd team QB.

but, over the same 6 games- the Steelers have been flagged for holding apx a dozen times.

If the refs are going to be "arbitrary" about calling penalties-

they should be arbitrary, equally. otherwise, things look mighty fishy.

just an observation.

[Chemsteel]

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I have been told that the major reasoning is game time and offensive scoring. If they called holding on Harrison everytime he is held the game would be over 4 hours long. The NFL also wants more scoring than what is evolving.

How many holding calls are made on Dwight Freeny?

The Steelers know that calls not being made is a testament to their skill and defensive prowess.

I know it is not fair but Roger Goodell is not a partciularly fair man but all business.

Chem-

I absolutely respect your opinions, and look forward to reading your posts....


I get "if holding were to be called, every time holding occurred" is not feasible; the game would decline to a flag fest- or every team would be down to their 3rd team QB.

but, over the same 6 games- the Steelers have been flagged for holding apx a dozen times.

If the refs are going to be "arbitrary" about calling penalties-

they should be arbitrary, equally. otherwise, things look mighty fishy.

just an observation.

I hear you ANP. Everybody in the Front Offices knows what is going on as do most of the Players. Don't forget that the Game Officials are directly tied to the NFL Offices and directly to Goodell.

When Dan Rooney and Art II write a letter to the Commissioner concerning their objections to refeere preferences then what I have been told is heresay.

[ANPSTEEL]

Re: NEWS: WEXELL, Steelers D-linemen holding back on one issue

I have been told that the major reasoning is game time and offensive scoring. If they called holding on Harrison everytime he is held the game would be over 4 hours long. The NFL also wants more scoring than what is evolving.

How many holding calls are made on Dwight Freeny?

The Steelers know that calls not being made is a testament to their skill and defensive prowess.

I know it is not fair but Roger Goodell is not a partciularly fair man but all business.

Chem-

I absolutely respect your opinions, and look forward to reading your posts....


I get "if holding were to be called, every time holding occurred" is not feasible; the game would decline to a flag fest- or every team would be down to their 3rd team QB.

but, over the same 6 games- the Steelers have been flagged for holding apx a dozen times.

If the refs are going to be "arbitrary" about calling penalties-

they should be arbitrary, equally. otherwise, things look mighty fishy.

just an observation.

I hear you ANP. Everybody in the Front Offices knows what is going on as do most of the Players. Don't forget that the Game Officials are directly tied to the NFL Offices and directly to Goodell.

When Dan Rooney and Art II write a letter to the Commissioner concerning their objections to refeere preferences then what I have been told is heresay.

hmmm...
so, are you saying, in affect, that the NFL is really- just entertainment???

i don't doubt that there is a tacit understanding between the League, Owners, and Officials - that every holding call, can not be called. I would also assume that, that agreement would stipulate that only the most egregious / flagrant holding penalties be called.

but the statistical probability of 0 for 420, on a penalty that actually occurs on almost every play, is essentially zero.

I love watching the Steelers, and truly hope the game isn't a charade, but things like this make it more and more difficult to believe.

your thoughts????

[Chemsteel]

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ANPSteel wrote:

so, are you saying, in affect, that the NFL is really- just entertainment???

It certainly is not entertainment when you are playing.

Art Modell has been credited with creating a more business approach in the NFL and upgrading team valuations. He was, in part, a big factor in the large TV packages and setting the stages for the NFL Network.

Football has become a great spectator sport and there is nothing more rewarding than being a Pittsburgh Steeler Fan. Entertainment is nothing more than relief from your ennui but being a Pittsburgh Steeler Fan is more. It is a passion. To the owners it has become a business but that is OK with me. Their passion has been team values but holding up this can change an owners mind.

[ANPSTEEL]

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ANPSteel wrote:

so, are you saying, in affect, that the NFL is really- just entertainment???

It certainly is not entertainment when you are playing.

forgive me if I insinuated anything to the contrary.

I have absolutely no doubt that the players are not directly involved in anything that may or may not go on, regarding the manipulation of the game.

and you are 100% correct about the passion of Steeler fans. I am certain that all other teams have some degree of envy- when it comes to the historic performance of the team and zealotry of the fans! (exception being the cowboys- that team/fans are on the polar opposite)