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  • Joel Buchsbaum
    Legend
    • Jan 2021
    • 7744

    Serious questions

    Enough on talent. It's roughly 70% of the equation. Good coaching in football can make a difference and be seen in the following ways:

    1 ) Is the team outsmarting the other team / good with situational football?

    2 ) Does the team make good halftime adjustments?

    3 ) Does the team underachieve or overachieve? Use this year and the past 3 years.

    All are welcome to answer the above questions. Just do it without mentioning player names. I want to hear from both sides, whether you are for or against getting a new head coach.
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***
  • Djfan
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 5184

    #2
    1) Never
    2) Never
    3) Underachieve
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    • Joel Buchsbaum
      Legend
      • Jan 2021
      • 7744

      #3
      Originally posted by Djfan
      1) Never
      2) Never
      3) Underachieve
      Anyone else? The nay sayers might disagree with that. But I tend to doubt most of them will.

      1 ) Is the team outsmarting the other team / good with situational football?

      2 ) Does the team make good halftime adjustments?

      3 ) Does the team underachieve or overachieve? Use this year and the past 3 years.
      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • TheRealTazz864
        Pro Bowler
        • Jun 2022
        • 2163

        #4
        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
        Anyone else? The nay sayers might disagree with that. But I tend to doubt most of them will.

        1 ) Is the team outsmarting the other team / good with situational football?

        2 ) Does the team make good halftime adjustments?

        3 ) Does the team underachieve or overachieve? Use this year and the past 3 years.
        Objection... leading questions....

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        • Joel Buchsbaum
          Legend
          • Jan 2021
          • 7744

          #5
          Originally posted by TheRealTazz864
          Objection... leading questions....
          Overruled. The questions are just fine. They are relevant. Looking for view points on the questions.
          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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          • TheRealTazz864
            Pro Bowler
            • Jun 2022
            • 2163

            #6
            Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
            Overruled. The questions are just fine. They are relevant. Looking for view points on the questions.
            Kangaroo court...

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            • brothervad
              Pro Bowler
              • Dec 2008
              • 1914

              #7
              Al Pacino in my head...


              You're outta order....
              And you're outta order....

              This whole courtroom, is outta order!

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              • hawaiiansteel
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 35649

                #8
                Originally posted by brothervad
                Al Pacino in my head...


                You're outta order....
                And you're outta order....

                This whole courtroom, is outta order!

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                • feltdizz
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 27531

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                  Enough on talent. It's roughly 70% of the equation. Good coaching in football can make a difference and be seen in the following ways:

                  1 ) Is the team outsmarting the other team / good with situational football?

                  2 ) Does the team make good halftime adjustments?

                  3 ) Does the team underachieve or overachieve? Use this year and the past 3 years.

                  All are welcome to answer the above questions. Just do it without mentioning player names. I want to hear from both sides, whether you are for or against getting a new head coach.
                  sometimes… usually when they win

                  sometimes... usually when they win

                  sometimes.. depends on how realistic the expectations are at the beginning of the season.

                  2019) overachieved.. 8-8 and almost
                  making the playoffs with Mason and Duck was impressive.

                  2020) underachieved based on record but realistically we were all shocked at 11-0 but the last 5 games exposed our issues. Playoff loss was comically bad. So bad it was hard to admit we were supposed to win that game. I think that playoff game showed we were old as dirt and it was time to move on from some players.

                  2021) push.. that team wasn’t that good but we grinded out some wins and made the playoffs which most didn’t expect.

                  2022) push.. its too early to know after 6 games. We are young in some areas and have some new talent that is still developing. A lot of people are predicting 5 or 6 wins. I think we are better than that and once the schedule lightens up we should stack some more wins.


                  Overall.. I think most rational people knew we were in rebuilding mode these last few years and making the playoffs was a bonus, not an expectation when those seasons started.
                  Steelers 27
                  Rats 16

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                  • Mr.wizard
                    Legend
                    • May 2014
                    • 6686

                    #10
                    Coaching effectiveness is measured by sustained success. Outsmarting people and halftime adjustments are things that you cant really measure, especially because you arent involved in the process. For example you may make the perfect play call based on matchup and defense and have a ball tipped at the line for an int that loses the game. You dont win for 15 years in the NFL if you're a bad coach, you just dont.

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                    • Chucktownsteeler
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 6849

                      #11
                      18 years.

                      10 ccs.
                      Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

                      I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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                      • whisper
                        Legend
                        • Mar 2020
                        • 9423

                        #12
                        Originally posted by brothervad
                        Al Pacino in my head...


                        You're outta order....
                        And you're outta order....

                        This whole courtroom, is outta order!

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