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  • whisper
    Legend
    • Mar 2020
    • 9423

    YES, someone said it

    The Pittsburgh Steelers are 1-4. It’s a bad team, and the organization seems broken. There’s no foolproof way to fix it, and the timetable is hardly immediate. But I’ve got a plan. It’s based on the assumption that coach Mike Tomlin has usurped almost all the franchise’s power when it


    Love him or hate him, Madden NAILS the TRUTH in this piece, several times over.

    I have been saying these same points for a long time.

    Tomlin doesn’t also get to be the GM. He doesn’t have final say in the draft. He doesn’t get to be the shadow defensive coordinator. He doesn’t get to hire his own staff.

    In short, Tomlin doesn’t get to indulge his megalomania.

    Tomlin gets to be head coach. Everybody’s duties get clearly divided and defined. We get to see who does what and how well they do it. More decisions get made accordingly.

    None of that is unfair.

    Yes, T.J. Watt is injured, but that defense earns $108 million total and ranks third-last in the NFL, allowing 416.8 yards per game. (I’m not discounting the presence of a lot of bad players.)

    The Steelers have a cheap, small coaching staff. Tomlin has no coaching tree.

    Matt Canada is not qualified to be an NFL offensive coordinator. He’s got the resume of a journeyman. But Canada got promoted because he was already there, on payroll, and willing to be Ben Roethlisberger’s bobo. Like Randy Fichtner before him.

    The Steelers are run inefficiently. It trickles down from weak ownership.

    A football guy should be GM, not a bean counter.

    The Steelers’ interview process to replace GM Kevin Colbert was a sham. They talked to a host of candidates, then promoted in-house.

    First-year assistant GM Andy Weidl is a Pittsburgh guy, which is too important with the Steelers. (Same concept as signing T.J. Watt’s brother and drafting Cam Heyward’s brother.)

    But OK, make Weidl GM — in title and duty — and give him final say with personnel and the draft. (Weidl had great positive input with Philadelphia’s draft when he was the Eagles’ vice president of player personnel prior to being hired in Pittsburgh.)

    Tomlin gets input, of course, like any coach. But those whose full-time jobs are to scout, draft and oversee personnel shouldn’t be usurped.

    The Steelers have ignored the trenches in the first two rounds of the last eight drafts. No offensive or defensive linemen. It’s not difficult to think that has something to do with the coach wanting shiny new toys to play with. It definitely has something to do with the rotten quality of both lines.

    The Steelers have picked four wide receivers in the first two rounds since 2017 and took Diontae Johnson in 2019’s third round. Draft a tackle, for heck’s sake.

    This hypothesis assumes a lot of things.

    But the Steelers being bad is beyond assumption. The stench is overwhelming.

    The Steelers haven’t won a playoff game in five years, and it’s going to be six. They’ve won three playoff games in 11 seasons, and it’s going to be 12.

    If that’s not Tomlin’s fault, whose fault is it?

    It’s not Roethlisberger’s fault.

    Roethlisberger’s guile and game management enabled him to orchestrate six fourth-quarter comebacks and an overtime win last season. The Steelers went 9-7-1, making the playoffs. Now Roethlisberger has retired. The Steelers are 1-4.

    Tomlin won’t get fired. That’s not how the Steelers operate. Anyway, there’s no guarantee they would hire somebody better.

    But Tomlin is failing badly. To set parameters he must follow seems fair, logical and necessary
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  • Joel Buchsbaum
    Legend
    • Jan 2021
    • 7744

    #2
    Madden can be right or wrong but has been ( mostly ) spot on lately and knows this team. After the Bucs game we need to start the off season, should we lose. There is no recover from 1-5. I just can't see it.

    Tomlin needs to go first.
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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    • whisper
      Legend
      • Mar 2020
      • 9423

      #3
      Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
      Madden can be right or wrong but has been ( mostly ) spot on lately and knows this team. After the Bucs game we need to start the off season, should we lose. There is no recover from 1-5. I just can't see it.

      Tomlin needs to go first.
      But who is gonna lead the "windshield wiper" dancing in the locker room - to racist and misogynistic songs (songs with lyrics that refer to "n-word bitches" - after wins?)

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      • Iron City Inc.
        Hall of Famer
        • Jun 2013
        • 3237

        #4
        Chuck n Bill had some loosing seasons. That seat is not even warm. It would take multiple 4-13's for that to even be in the mix imho. Now TM might get burnt out. That could happen. And for sure he needs to change some of his weaker aspects. And he has a few coaching aspects that are questionable but today we simply lack enough talent on the roster and that is on MT. Buck starts n stops with him.
        Saving grace for the franchise could be wearing #8. IF KP8 is the real deal many mistakes will be forgiven.

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        • whisper
          Legend
          • Mar 2020
          • 9423

          #5
          Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
          Chuck n Bill had some loosing seasons. That seat is not even warm. It would take multiple 4-13's for that to even be in the mix imho. Now TM might get burnt out. That could happen. And for sure he needs to change some of his weaker aspects. And he has a few coaching aspects that are questionable but today we simply lack enough talent on the roster and that is on MT. Buck starts n stops with him.
          Saving grace for the franchise could be wearing #8. IF KP8 is the real deal many mistakes will be forgiven.
          I got a strong feeling drafting KP was not Shades' decision; it has Art 2 written all over it. And Shades IS guilty of pretty much being responsible for everything else that has turned to sh-t on his watch, even though he gets to dodge accountability, per everyone as it is the "Steeler way."

          "We make our decisions as a team" which translates to no decision being any one person's fault, and the parade marches on - "not my fault, not any ones."

          When you are paying top $ for a defense and that D is the 3rd worst in the league, some one should be responsible. When you are on a run of never giving the OL enough priority, SOME ONE needs to be responsible.

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          • Starlifter
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 5078

            #6
            I don’t spend much energy reading anything madden writes - he’ll type anything to get clicks, but sometimes lucks onto the correct answer.

            As in this case.

            My opinion is Tomlin has squandered the talent he had over the last 10 years and rode the heroics of 7 which covered up most of his horrible coaching and personnel decisions.

            Now that Ben has retired, the rot that is the core of the team is now festering for all to see. I’ve been on here for years talking about investing in o-line and d-line to control the LOS on both sides. They have utterly failed outside of TJ and our inability to pressure the QB or establish any consistent run game is the root of our problems IMO.
            2014 MNF EXEC CHAMPION!!!

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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27532

              #7
              Gonna be a long week for Whisper and Madden. lol!!!
              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • Buzz
                Legend
                • Dec 2017
                • 8379

                #8
                Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
                Chuck n Bill had some loosing seasons. That seat is not even warm. It would take multiple 4-13's for that to even be in the mix imho.

                This. Short of Tomlin being charged with some grievous criminal offense, he will be the Steelers' HC as long as he wants to be. Rooney does not want to deal with the uproar he would face if he axed Mike.

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                • hawaiiansteel
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 35648

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Buzz
                  This. Short of Tomlin being charged with some grievous criminal offense, he will be the Steelers' HC as long as he wants to be. Rooney does not want to deal with the uproar he would face if he axed Mike.
                  or at least until Tomlin's contract is up after the 2024 season.

                  the Tomlin haters on this board can repeat themselves ad infinitum, Tomlin isn't getting fired.

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                  • TheRealTazz864
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Jun 2022
                    • 2163

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                    Madden can be right or wrong but has been ( mostly ) spot on lately and knows this team. After the Bucs game we need to start the off season, should we lose. There is no recover from 1-5. I just can't see it.

                    Tomlin needs to go first.
                    Maybe you need to go start YOUR off-season...

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                    • TheRealTazz864
                      Pro Bowler
                      • Jun 2022
                      • 2163

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Starlifter
                      I don’t spend much energy reading anything madden writes - he’ll type anything to get clicks, but sometimes lucks onto the correct answer.

                      As in this case.

                      My opinion is Tomlin has squandered the talent he had over the last 10 years and rode the heroics of 7 which covered up most of his horrible coaching and personnel decisions.

                      Now that Ben has retired, the rot that is the core of the team is now festering for all to see. I’ve been on here for years talking about investing in o-line and d-line to control the LOS on both sides. They have utterly failed outside of TJ and our inability to pressure the QB or establish any consistent run game is the root of our problems IMO.
                      The careers of the other 2 B's (Brown and Bell...) basically fell off a cliff after they left Tomlin's tutelage... Last season, the Steelers invested heavily in a new OL, that was one of the biggest criticisms of the Steelers LAST season...

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                      • TheRealTazz864
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Jun 2022
                        • 2163

                        #12
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        Gonna be a long week for Whisper and Madden. lol!!!
                        In-credible..........

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                        • TheRealTazz864
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Jun 2022
                          • 2163

                          #13
                          Originally posted by whisper
                          But who is gonna lead the "windshield wiper" dancing in the locker room - to racist and misogynistic songs (songs with lyrics that refer to "n-word bitches" - after wins?)
                          Haven't we been through this??? "Nigga" is NOT the N-word... It's like saying "man" or "dude..." For example "C'mon, nigga'..." or "nigga' ain't got the sense gawd gave him..."

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                          • whisper
                            Legend
                            • Mar 2020
                            • 9423

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TheRealTazz864
                            The careers of the other 2 B's (Brown and Bell...) basically fell off a cliff after they left Tomlin's tutelage... Last season, the Steelers invested heavily in a new OL, that was one of the biggest criticisms of the Steelers LAST season...
                            Yea, how did their cheap attempt work out for them? Still one of the worst OLs in the NFL, that's how.

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                            • BURGH86STEEL
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 6921

                              #15
                              Originally posted by whisper
                              Yea, how did their cheap attempt work out for them? Still one of the worst OLs in the NFL, that's how.
                              Pay attention to the NFL bro. Watch the other games.

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