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  • Joel Buchsbaum
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    • Jan 2021
    • 7744

    My ideas on changes Tomlin can and should make.

    Feature Pickens more! He should be targeted 8 times or more a game. He is our big play receiver and one who also hands the hands to make those 50/50 catches. Featuring him a bit more will have us looking down the field.

    Start Pickett! It's time. I'd rather lose with him than lose with Turbsiky. Turbisky needs to be benched anyway. What are we waiting for? We should be 0-3 ( If not for a 5 turnover game, and pick 6,) and he played poorly in all three games. We need to figure out if Pickett can play or not. We know the answer on Turdisky ( spelled wrong on purpose : )

    Give Warren the ball more often. Say like 8 times a game. The offense tends to run with him. Harris isn't getting the job done. You could tell the press you were balancing out the offense and keeping Harris fresh. I want to see whether Warren's higher yards per carry is a fluke. I don't think it is.

    Give Robinson a hat. Play him a bit in the regular defense and one special teams. He might prove to be the best tackler and hitter we've got. And he can shed blocks. He has a lot to learn. Get him some experience.

    Play more 2 TE sets. Do it 3-5 more times a game. Force the other team's defense out of the nickel. Bench Claypool in the set. TE is a postion we have depth at. Let's play a little power football. And call play action while you're at it. This formation offers better pass blocking, and run blocking, two current Steeler weakness.

    Surprise the other team a bit more. Work on 4-5 No huddle plays when the opposing defense is gassed. We dictate the pace and prevent defensive subs. As stated I wan't to see 4-5 no-huddle plays a game. To keep a defense on three toes.

    These changes outside of starting Pickett aren't major. Tomlin should make these changes. He is the head coach. The current game plan is not an option. I've seen it already three times. Make the changes. What is he waiting for?
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***
  • Northern_Blitz
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    • Dec 2008
    • 24373

    #2
    I think the first 3 make sense.

    I don't think Robinson will be ready and Bush has been playing above my (not high) expectations.

    I generally think Claypool is better than Gentry. So I'd use 2 TEs situationally.

    I bet we are already in the range of no huddle plays you are calling for here. But to run no huddle you need to have a successful play or two. And to have the defense "gassed" you probably need to possess the ball a bit... Unless you are hoping that they are going nuts on an assault bike on the sideline or something.

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    • Joel Buchsbaum
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      • Jan 2021
      • 7744

      #3
      Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
      I think the first 3 make sense.

      I don't think Robinson will be ready and Bush has been playing above my (not high) expectations.

      I generally think Claypool is better than Gentry. So I'd use 2 TEs situationally.

      I bet we are already in the range of no huddle plays you are calling for here. But to run no huddle you need to have a successful play or two. And to have the defense "gassed" you probably need to possess the ball a bit... Unless you are hoping that they are going nuts on an assault bike on the sideline or something.
      I think the all make sense, I'm not saying start Robinson, rather get him a hat. He was good on special teams in the pre-season. A 2 TE set as in Muth' and Gentry. Gentry is an underrated player.

      We choose who to run no huddle. I say do it after the opposing defense is gassed a bit, or when Gentry is snuck in the 2 TE set. We do not feature play action or screen plays enough. Tomlin will have to explain why.
      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • Northern_Blitz
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        • Dec 2008
        • 24373

        #4
        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
        I think the all make sense, I'm not saying start Robinson, rather get him a hat. He was good on special teams in the pre-season. A 2 TE set as in Muth' and Gentry. Gentry is an underrated player.

        We choose who to run no huddle. I say do it after the opposing defense is gassed a bit, or when Gentry is snuck in the 2 TE set. We do not feature play action or screen plays enough. Tomlin will have to explain why.
        What percentage of snaps do you think Gentry should play?

        He's been at 30%, 34%, and 39% of offensive snaps.

        Like the no huddle point, I think we're already doing this.

        Who are you sitting to let Robinson play on ST? I don't know enough about who plays on what phase of ST to know if that makes sense or not.
        Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 09-27-2022, 07:18 AM.

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        • WindyCitySteel
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          • Nov 2011
          • 15684

          #5
          Pickens has played 77% of the snaps and is open all the time. The 2nd bullet will fix the first one.

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          • NorthCoast
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            • Sep 2008
            • 26636

            #6
            Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
            Feature Pickens more! He should be targeted 8 times or more a game. He is our big play receiver and one who also hands the hands to make those 50/50 catches. Featuring him a bit more will have us looking down the field.

            Start Pickett! It's time. I'd rather lose with him than lose with Turbsiky. Turbisky needs to be benched anyway. What are we waiting for? We should be 0-3 ( If not for a 5 turnover game, and pick 6,) and he played poorly in all three games. We need to figure out if Pickett can play or not. We know the answer on Turdisky ( spelled wrong on purpose : )

            Give Warren the ball more often. Say like 8 times a game. The offense tends to run with him. Harris isn't getting the job done. You could tell the press you were balancing out the offense and keeping Harris fresh. I want to see whether Warren's higher yards per carry is a fluke. I don't think it is.

            Give Robinson a hat. Play him a bit in the regular defense and one special teams. He might prove to be the best tackler and hitter we've got. And he can shed blocks. He has a lot to learn. Get him some experience.

            Play more 2 TE sets. Do it 3-5 more times a game. Force the other team's defense out of the nickel. Bench Claypool in the set. TE is a postion we have depth at. Let's play a little power football. And call play action while you're at it. This formation offers better pass blocking, and run blocking, two current Steeler weakness.

            Surprise the other team a bit more. Work on 4-5 No huddle plays when the opposing defense is gassed. We dictate the pace and prevent defensive subs. As stated I wan't to see 4-5 no-huddle plays a game. To keep a defense on three toes.

            These changes outside of starting Pickett aren't major. Tomlin should make these changes. He is the head coach. The current game plan is not an option. I've seen it already three times. Make the changes. What is he waiting for?
            Why play two TEs when they rarely throw to the MOF? I feel bad for Muth. He should be top 10 in fantasy points if they would give him a chance.

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            • Joel Buchsbaum
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              • Jan 2021
              • 7744

              #7
              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
              What percentage of snaps do you think Gentry should play?

              He's been at 30%, 34%, and 39% of offensive snaps.

              Like the no huddle point, I think we're already doing this.

              Who are you sitting to let Robinson play on ST? I don't know enough about who plays on what phase of ST to know if that makes sense or not.
              Sit one of the other players. Adams, Snell, or Allen. Robinson stood out on special teams in the pre-season. In fact he lead our team in tackles. He will add more than the mentioned players on game day.

              30% and 34 % is too few snaps. 39% is okay. Play Gentry at least that often.

              How often do we run no huddle? You didn't say. We aren't doing it often enough, not are we calling enough screens. 2-3 plays a game more is what I am asking for. And call more pay action! How many times per game do we do that?
              Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 09-27-2022, 08:24 AM.
              Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

              Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

              *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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              • Eich
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                • Jul 2010
                • 7044

                #8
                Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                We choose who to run no huddle. I say do it after the opposing defense is gassed a bit,
                Except... when are opposing defenses gassed? We don't keep them on the field enough to be gassed.

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                • Northern_Blitz
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 24373

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                  Sit one of the other players. Adams, Snell, or Allen. Robinson stood out on special teams in the pre-season. In fact he lead our team in tackles. He will add more than the mentioned players on game day.

                  30% and 34 % is too few snaps. 39% is okay. Play Gentry at least that often.

                  How often do we run no huddle? You didn't say. We aren't doing it often enough, not are we calling enough screens. 2-3 plays a game more is what I am asking for. And call more pay action! How many times per game do we do that?
                  I don't know how often we run no huddle.

                  But I feel like I've seen it every game. I'd be surprised if there's fewer than 4 or 5 plays.

                  I'd argue that the person arguing for changes should probably have an idea of what the current situation is

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                  • Northern_Blitz
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 24373

                    #10
                    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                    Pickens has played 77% of the snaps and is open all the time. The 2nd bullet will fix the first one.
                    So another bullet point that's pretty much already being done? Or at least that isn't a coaching issue?

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                    • Joel Buchsbaum
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                      • Jan 2021
                      • 7744

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Eich
                      Except... when are opposing defenses gassed? We don't keep them on the field enough to be gassed.
                      Well that's another problem. See points 1, 2, and 3!
                      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                      • Monalo
                        Backup
                        • Sep 2021
                        • 293

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                        How often do we run no huddle? You didn't say. We aren't doing it often enough, not are we calling enough screens. 2-3 plays a game more is what I am asking for. And call more pay action! How many times per game do we do that?
                        You have to be in position to run no huddle. It was not possible most of the 2nd half.
                        Most drives need 1 first down before going no huddle. Otherwise your D gets no rest at all, if 3 and out.

                        The Steelers used no huddle quite a bit vs the Browns. The 3 and outs were the major problem.
                        1st Half:
                        Punt (5 plays).
                        Missed FG (4 plays).
                        Used no huddle – TD drive.
                        Used no huddle – TD drive.
                        2nd Half:
                        Used no huddle once – Punt
                        3 and out
                        3 and out
                        3 and out
                        Used no huddle – FG

                        I agree with more screens. Austin coming back should add a new dimension to the pass game.
                        Last edited by Monalo; 09-27-2022, 09:40 AM.

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                        • Joel Buchsbaum
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                          • Jan 2021
                          • 7744

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                          I don't know how often we run no huddle.

                          But I feel like I've seen it every game. I'd be surprised if there's fewer than 4 or 5 plays.

                          I'd argue that the person arguing for changes should probably have an idea of what the current situation is
                          I do. Which point do you disagree with? Do your side with Tomlin & Canada? I put in #s as to how many times and answered questions. Most are minor changes that collectively will help the team.



                          Feature Pickens more! He should be targeted 8 times or more a game. He is our big play receiver and one who also hands the hands to make those 50/50 catches. Featuring him a bit more will have us looking down the field.

                          Start Pickett! It's time. I'd rather lose with him than lose with Turbsiky. Turbisky needs to be benched anyway. What are we waiting for? We should be 0-3 ( If not for a 5 turnover game, and pick 6,) and he played poorly in all three games. We need to figure out if Pickett can play or not. We know the answer on Turdisky ( spelled wrong on purpose : )

                          Give Warren the ball more often. Say like 8 times a game. The offense tends to run with him. Harris isn't getting the job done. You could tell the press you were balancing out the offense and keeping Harris fresh. I want to see whether Warren's higher yards per carry is a fluke. I don't think it is.

                          Give Robinson a hat. Play him a bit in the regular defense and one special teams. He might prove to be the best tackler and hitter we've got. And he can shed blocks. He has a lot to learn. Get him some experience.

                          Play more 2 TE sets. Do it 3-5 more times a game. Force the other team's defense out of the nickel. Bench Claypool in the set. TE is a postion we have depth at. Let's play a little power football. And call play action while you're at it. This formation offers better pass blocking, and run blocking, two current Steeler weakness.


                          Those are my ideas . Surprise the other team a bit more. Work on 4-5 No huddle plays when the opposing defense is gassed. We dictate the pace and prevent defensive subs. As stated I wan't to see 4-5 no-huddle plays a game.
                          Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 09-27-2022, 12:54 PM.
                          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                          • Northern_Blitz
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                            • Dec 2008
                            • 24373

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                            I do. Which point do you disagree with? Do your side with Tomlin & Canada? I put in #s as to how many times and answered questions. Most are minor changes that collectively will help the team.
                            I think the problem is that Mitch isn't a good QB and Canada isn't a good OC (clearly not able to make a good game plan based on his player's strengths). It certainly doesn't look like either will be back in their current capacity.



                            Feature Pickens more! He should be targeted 8 times or more a game. He is our big play receiver and one who also hands the hands to make those 50/50 catches. Featuring him a bit more will have us looking down the field.
                            He's on the field and appears to be getting open per those that are watching the all-22. To me that suggests that the QB needs to find him and / or the OC needs to make him an earlier read than he is. We don't know where the breakdown is. But it seems to be happening often enough to suggest to me that it's both. This either / or thinking seems pretty limited to me


                            Start Pickett! It's time. I'd rather lose with him than lose with Turbsiky. Turbisky needs to be benched anyway. What are we waiting for? We should be 0-3 ( If not for a 5 turnover game, and pick 6,) and he played poorly in all three games. We need to figure out if Pickett can play or not. We know the answer on Turdisky ( spelled wrong on purpose : )
                            Yep. I think we'll wait until after the bye. But it seems clear that Mitch isn't long for this offense. I think we're going to get absolutely embarrassed by Buffalo. Glad we don't have them right after they lose that one to Miami.

                            Give Warren the ball more often. Say like 8 times a game. The offense tends to run with him. Harris isn't getting the job done. You could tell the press you were balancing out the offense and keeping Harris fresh. I want to see whether Warren's higher yards per carry is a fluke. I don't think it is.
                            Yep. Warren seems to give us at least as much as Harris right now.

                            Give Robinson a hat. Play him a bit in the regular defense and one special teams. He might prove to be the best tackler and hitter we've got. And he can shed blocks. He has a lot to learn. Get him some experience.
                            I don't think this makes a material difference.

                            Play more 2 TE sets. Do it 3-5 more times a game. Force the other team's defense out of the nickel. Bench Claypool in the set. TE is a postion we have depth at. Let's play a little power football. And call play action while you're at it. This formation offers better pass blocking, and run blocking, two current Steeler weakness.
                            I think our top 3 WRs are all better than our TE2. So I wouldn't do this more than the situation dictates. We are already doing this a lot (or at least that's what Gentry's snap count suggests

                            Those are my ideas . Surprise the other team a bit more. Work on 4-5 No huddle plays when the opposing defense is gassed. We dictate the pace and prevent defensive subs. As stated I wan't to see 4-5 no-huddle plays a game.
                            I think we're already doing no-huddle at much as you were asking for.

                            Which is kind of my objection to the tone of your post. To me it read like "Our coach is an idiot for not doing these things!" But it looks like we're doing most of the things you say we should be doing. The big thing is Kenny over Mitch. Which is certainly a big thing...and it will come in time. Hope it's soon because Mitch doesn't look like he's significantly better than he was before in our offense.

                            Answered in line this time.

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                            • Joel Buchsbaum
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                              • Jan 2021
                              • 7744

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                              Answered in line this time.
                              It sound like you agree with me, but only think Canada is the lone coaching problem. No, he's not. Tomlin is his boss. Playing Robinson over do nothing players can help us on special teams for openers. It might be a bit more, and keeping players active like Allen, or Snell active over him makes no sense!

                              We run the ball better under two -tight ends set ( I think ) and have better pass protection in 2 tight end sets. This formation limits outside pass-rushers. Two Steeler weakness. I'm not saying feature it, rather do it a bit more. Lots of changes can be made to make us a better team! You seem to agree, but don't like the " tone "" Well which is it, make no changes as Tomlin is doing, or make some changes like the ones I'm mentioning and you agree on?


                              We are staring 1-3 in the face and if things don't change we are on our way to a 7-10 season or worse. We were lucky to win vs the Bengals. We should be 0-3.
                              Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                              Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                              *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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