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  • feltdizz
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    • May 2008
    • 27532

    #31
    Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
    I don't downgrade a player because his predecessors went to so an so school.
    That’s good to know.

    I do even though I know each player is an individual. Until one pans out I will bet the field over a Buckeye QB.
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    • Joel Buchsbaum
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      • Jan 2021
      • 7744

      #32
      Originally posted by feltdizz
      That’s good to know.

      I do even though I know each player is an individual. Until one pans out I will bet the field over a Buckeye QB.
      Fair enough. Some of the best Steelers lately were Buckeye's. Shazier, and Heyward. Going back a bit, Holmes.
      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • feltdizz
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        • May 2008
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        #33
        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
        Fair enough. Some of the best Steelers lately were Buckeye's. Shazier, and Heyward. Going back a bit, Holmes.
        Yes, QB is the only position Buckeyes struggle with at the NFL level.
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        • WindyCitySteel
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          • Nov 2011
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          #34
          Originally posted by feltdizz
          Until a Buckeye QB produces in the NFL they are all lumped together.

          Same as USC quarterbacks and Bama QB’s. We really haven’t see one do
          anything special in the NFL.
          USC and Bama had a lot more first round flops. Fields is the first OSU QB in 40 years any Buckeye fan had hope for. We all knew Haskins was a one-year wonder with serious limitations.

          If Justin Fields fails it won't be because JT Barrett and Terrelle Pryor never panned out as a UDFA and 3rd round supplemental pick. Their games are completely different, something you overlook if you just do simplistic helmet scouting.

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          • feltdizz
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            • May 2008
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            #35
            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
            USC and Bama had a lot more first round flops. Fields is the first OSU QB in 40 years any Buckeye fan had hope for. We all knew Haskins was a one-year wonder with serious limitations.

            If Justin Fields fails it won't be because JT Barrett and Terrelle Pryor never panned out as a UDFA and 3rd round supplemental pick. Their games are completely different, something you overlook if you just do simplistic helmet scouting.
            Doesn’t matter if their games are different if the outcome is the same.

            Whether you like it or not Buckeye QB’s are viewed as college phenoms and NFL bust until one pans out.

            For the record I like Fields and hope he breaks the curse. Well, I should say I was impressed with Fields when he played Clemson and threw 5 TD’s with bruised ribs.

            Other schools who have or had the same reputation: Oklahoma, Florida, Bama and USC. I will say Palmer was actually a good QB. Not great but if a Buckeye had his career he would be a legend.
            Last edited by feltdizz; 05-11-2022, 01:28 PM.
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            • WindyCitySteel
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              • Nov 2011
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              #36
              Originally posted by feltdizz
              Doesn’t matter if their games are different if the outcome is the same.

              Whether you like it or not Buckeye QB’s are viewed as college phenoms and NFL bust until one pans out.

              For the record I like Fields and hope he breaks the curse.

              Other schools who have or had the same reputation. Oklahoma, Florida, Bama and USC. I will say Palmer was actually a good QB. Not great but if a Buckeye had his career he would be a legend.
              The difference is a lot of those other schools are getting QBs drafted highly, OSU was not until very recently.

              Late round running QBs are not "busts", they're supposed to be career backups. Should we expect Kenny Pickett to be a bust because Tyler Palko, Alex van Pelt, and Pete Gonzalez were not stars, or does 1 good NFL QB from Pitt 40 years ago erase all that?
              Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 05-11-2022, 01:24 PM.

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              • feltdizz
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                • May 2008
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                #37
                Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                The difference is a lot of those other schools are getting QBs drafted highly, OSU was not until very recently.

                Late round running QBs are not "busts", they're supposed to be career backups. Should we expect Kenny Pickett to be a bust because Tyler Palko, Alex van Pelt, and Pete Gonzalez were not stars, or does 1 good NFL QB from Pitt 40 years ago erase all that?
                I definitely think part of the reason people doubt Pickett is because of those other QB’s.

                and I don’t blame them one bit.

                but I think the difference for Buckeye QB’s and schools like Oklahoma is these QB’s are winning Heismans and making the playoffs or winning championships.

                Pitt QB’s haven’t won anything so the expectations are much lower.
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                • flippy
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                  • Dec 2008
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by feltdizz
                  I definitely think part of the reason people doubt Pickett is because of those other QB’s.

                  and I don’t blame them one bit.

                  but I think the difference for Buckeye QB’s and schools like Oklahoma is these QB’s are winning Heismans and making the playoffs or winning championships.

                  Pitt QB’s haven’t won anything so the expectations are much lower.
                  Who was the best OSU QB in the NFL so far? Tomczak?

                  I don’t watch enough OSU to know anything, but I saw a couple of games with Fields and his accuracy on the move made me think he’s a potential Aaron Rodgers level QB. Big emphasis on potential.

                  Despite all the duds, Pitt had Marino so that’s where it’s ok.

                  But who knows with both schools. Pitt passed on Flacco and he won a SuperBowl. And OSU was even worse in letting Joey B go to the SEC and dominate.
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                  • WindyCitySteel
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                    • Nov 2011
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by flippy
                    Who was the best OSU QB in the NFL so far? Tomczak?

                    I don’t watch enough OSU to know anything, but I saw a couple of games with Fields and his accuracy on the move made me think he’s a potential Aaron Rodgers level QB. Big emphasis on potential.

                    Despite all the duds, Pitt had Marino so that’s where it’s ok.

                    But who knows with both schools. Pitt passed on Flacco and he won a SuperBowl. And OSU was even worse in letting Joey B go to the SEC and dominate.
                    History doesn't matter. If the next great QB goes to Pitt or OSU, the previous stiffs won't affect his play.

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                    • hawaiiansteel
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                      • May 2008
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                      #40

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                      • NorthCoast
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                        • Sep 2008
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                        History doesn't matter. If the next great QB goes to Pitt or OSU, the previous stiffs won't affect his play.
                        Exactly. The school thing is an odd argument. Before Joe Burrow was drafted name the last good QB that came from Lousianna St? (that would be YA Tittle back in the '50s). Or UCLA? Troy Aikman and a bunch of meh over a couple decades.

                        No one knows where the next HOF franchise QB will come from.

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                        • WindyCitySteel
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                          • Nov 2011
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                          TL;DW, he started with "a way too early look", which is just another unaccountable analyst spewing guesses to fill time and draw a paycheck and won't affect one iota what NFL GMs and scouts and coaches think. Otherwise, Spencer Rattler, Kedon Slovis, and Sam Howell all would have been picked before Kenny Pickett, because last year's "way too early look" at the QB draft class wasn't even close.

                          But thanks for sharing

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                          • NorthCoast
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                            • Sep 2008
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                            TL;DW, he started with "a way too early look", which is just another unaccountable analyst spewing guesses to fill time and draw a paycheck and won't affect one iota what NFL GMs and scouts and coaches think. Otherwise, Spencer Rattler, Kedon Slovis, and Sam Howell all would have been picked before Kenny Pickett, because last year's "way too early look" at the QB draft class wasn't even close.

                            But thanks for sharing
                            Any guy doing a podcast in a worn out t-shirt ain't worth the time viewing. Still dressing like he lives in his mom's basement.

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                            • Steel Maniac
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                              • Apr 2017
                              • 19472

                              #44
                              Originally posted by NorthCoast
                              Exactly. The school thing is an odd argument. Before Joe Burrow was drafted name the last good QB that came from Lousianna St? (that would be YA Tittle back in the '50s). Or UCLA? Troy Aikman and a bunch of meh over a couple decades.

                              No one knows where the next HOF franchise QB will come from.
                              Agreed. No one knows.

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                              • whatever
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                                • Sep 2019
                                • 5795

                                #45
                                Wonder if that’s why Tomlin panicked wither the Pickett situation?
                                How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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