Bush's 5th Year option declined

[Mr.wizard]

Bobby Wagner completion percentage

2018: 66.7
2019: 80.6
2020: 64,2
2021: 81.6

Fred Warner

2018: 60.0
2019: 66.2
2020: 62.3
2021: 79.0

Now these two are considered two of the best middle linebackers in the game and Bush's numbers are right in line with them, so please tell me why Bush's numbers are bad? Like I said you are just making stuff up, you point to the numbers and tell me that this is bad, when in fact its in line with best at the position.

[whisper]

You are telling me...................

No, Moats is telling you. Boom, mic drop.

[Mr.wizard]

No, Moats is telling you. Boom, mic drop.

You are presenting it to me and agreeing with it so I am talking to you as Arthur Moats is not here, so why don't you pick the mic back up and address the point, instead of acting like a child.

[Captain Lemming]

Once he lost those who we helping him keep clean, his security blanket was gone and his weakness was magnified. People ran right at him, Often he made tackles way beyond the line of scrimmage. I got tired of such linebackers.

As a rookie he allowed 67.6% of passes for 435 yards surrendered with 5 TD allowed. This sucks. Last year year was it was 70.2% Facts. He was ripped in coverage BEOFRE his Knee injury the next season AFTER it came. I make nothing up, dude check his stats and show me another LB this bad in coverage If you can't you might learn something. If this doesn't work for you try reading what Hoge and Shazier are saying

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...B/BushDe01.htm

Context matters.
Pads plays near the los are ALWAYS high percentage pass plays.

Linebackers TYPICALLY give up a large percentage of passes, as a dump off to a back is an easy completion.

That 70 percent last season? It would be a career best for Devin White who gave up 80 plus the last two years straight.

Every single pass thrown at TJ was completed last season. 100 percent. Small sample size but still 100 percent.

Go back to middle backers. Look at all pros. You just can't consistently allow a low percentage.

[whisper]

You are presenting it to me and agreeing with it so I am talking to you as Arthur Moats is not here, so why don't you pick the mic back up and address the point, instead of acting like a child.

No, Moats is telling you. Boom, mic drop.

[hawaiiansteel]

You are presenting it to me and agreeing with it so I am talking to you as Arthur Moats is not here, so why don't you pick the mic back up and address the point, instead of acting like a child.

Boom, mic drop.

[feltdizz]

Bobby Wagner completion percentage

2018: 66.7
2019: 80.6
2020: 64,2
2021: 81.6

Fred Warner

2018: 60.0
2019: 66.2
2020: 62.3
2021: 79.0

Now these two are considered two of the best middle linebackers in the game and Bush's numbers are right in line with them, so please tell me why Bush's numbers are bad? Like I said you are just making stuff up, you point to the numbers and tell me that this is bad, when in fact its in line with best at the position.

damn, it shouldn’t be this easy to win a debate.

[Captain Lemming]

Bobby Wagner completion percentage

2018: 66.7
2019: 80.6
2020: 64,2
2021: 81.6

Fred Warner

2018: 60.0
2019: 66.2
2020: 62.3
2021: 79.0

Now these two are considered two of the best middle linebackers in the game and Bush's numbers are right in line with them, so please tell me why Bush's numbers are bad? Like I said you are just making stuff up, you point to the numbers and tell me that this is bad, when in fact its in line with best at the position.

I wouldn't go that far. It is just that he looked at only the numbers of the guy he wants to bash.

We typically look at these stats for secondary players who cover low percentage passes.

An impossible to stop dump off completion behind the los that is tackled for no gain is a "completion" on paper but is a GREAT defensive play.

A 50 yard bomb is a lower percentage play against a backup caliber corner.

Therfore the issue is not intentional deception, it is looking at a simple stat on paper ignorant of the reality of how easy it is to complete passes that linebackers are tasked to cover.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Bobby Wagner completion percentage

2018: 66.7
2019: 80.6
2020: 64,2
2021: 81.6

Fred Warner

2018: 60.0
2019: 66.2
2020: 62.3
2021: 79.0

Now these two are considered two of the best middle linebackers in the game and Bush's numbers are right in line with them, so please tell me why Bush's numbers are bad? Like I said you are just making stuff up, you point to the numbers and tell me that this is bad, when in fact its in line with best at the position.

Hold on,

I need a chance to reply, and don't think wizard is what I call an informed poster. I'm an x-coach and former player ( not NFL )....not that that means I know the most here.

He is using Bobby Wagner age ( nice to compare him to a man in the in 20's ? ) and Fred Warner. Wagner is old an in decline

One, and this is big, Bush, as the rookie he's praising as excellent in coverage, has never been under 66.7% in coverage for his career! These guys mentioned have been several times.

Two, Bush plays behind the best pass rush in the NFL, making it easier for him to cover. These guys play with an average pass rush.

Three, these guys are the primary cover guy in the nickel and dime. Bush has already been taken out of the nickel in some circumstances! He doesn't cover primrary targets, nor should he.

Four, these guys score more TD's, have more passes defended, and give up less yards in general.

I asked for him to show me guys like him, he didn't do that. Not even close! It's an epic fail on his part, and he often either ignores my pointd or skip them in reply...because I'm right. Try quoting me in full context

Ask around how Bush is in coverage. NFL writers and X-Steeler players and statics will tell you not very good. 3rd party opninons. Go ahead ask them. To the others I don't do mike drops. He doesn't do them either, but I have played tennis. In this case, game, set, and match. An easy opponent he was.

[NorthCoast]

I wouldn't go that far. It is just that he looked at only the numbers of the guy he wants to bash.

We typically look at these stats for secondary players who cover low percentage passes.

An impossible to stop dump off completion behind the los that is tackled for no gain is a "completion" on paper but is a GREAT defensive play.

A 50 yard bomb is a lower percentage play against a backup caliber corner.

Therfore the issue is not intentional deception, it is looking at a simple stat on paper ignorant of the reality of how easy it is to complete passes that linebackers are tasked to cover.

Bush had 15 TFLs in his rookie season. Impressive by any standard.

[Mr.wizard]

Hold on,

I need a chance to reply, and don't think wizard is what I call an informed poster. I'm an x-coach and former player ( not NFL )....not that that means I know the most here.

He is using Bobby Wagner age ( nice to compare him to a man in the in 20's ? ) and Fred Warner. Wagner is old an in decline

One, and this is big, Bush, as the rookie he's praising as excellent in coverage, has never been under 66.7% in coverage for his career! These guys have been several times.

Two, Bush plays behind the best pass rush in the NFL, making it easier for him to cover. These guys play with an average pass rush.

Three, these guys are the primary cover guy in the nickel and dime. Bush has already been taken out of the nickel in some circumstances! He doesn't cover primrary targets, nor should he.

Four, these guys score more TD's, have more passes defended, and give up less yards in general.

I asked for him to show me guys like him, he didn't do that. Not even close! It's an epic fail on his part, and he often either ignores my pointd or skip them in reply...because I'm right. Try quoting me in full context

Ask around how Bush is in coverage. NFL writers and X-Steeler players and statics will tell you not very good. 3rd party opninons. Go ahead ask them. To the others I don't do mike drops. He doesn't do them either, but I have played tennis. In this case, game, set, and match. An easy opponent he was.

Lol this is such a bunch of backtracking bull****, PICK ANY MIDDLE LINEBACKER!!!!

[Mr.wizard]

I wouldn't go that far. It is just that he looked at only the numbers of the guy he wants to bash.

We typically look at these stats for secondary players who cover low percentage passes.

An impossible to stop dump off completion behind the los that is tackled for no gain is a "completion" on paper but is a GREAT defensive play.

A 50 yard bomb is a lower percentage play against a backup caliber corner.

Therfore the issue is not intentional deception, it is looking at a simple stat on paper ignorant of the reality of how easy it is to complete passes that linebackers are tasked to cover.

It's intentional, he just doubled down on it even with the numbers staring him in the face.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Lol this is such a bunch of backtracking bull****, PICK ANY MIDDLE LINEBACKER!!!!

Try picking a guy where Bush performs favorably. The field is yours. My point it by my observation, by x -steelers, and by 3td party options all agree with me Bush struggles and the Steelers agree / left did not offer him a 5h year contact! As a draft pick he is an utter disappointment, who cost us a lot to move up to get for. Backtracking and skipping points is your MO, not mine

Now I've got nothing agaist Bush. But IF / When he gets demoted I might laugh at you. You've earned it. Try defending him on another board. You'll be laughed at.

[Mr.wizard]

Try picking a guy where Bush performs favorably. The field is yours. My point it by my observation, by x -steelers, and by 3td party options all agree with me Bush struggles and the Steelers agree / left did not offer him a 5h year contact! As a draft pick he is an utter disappointment, who cost us a lot to move up to get for. Backtracking and skipping points is your MO, not mine

Now I've got nothing agaist Bush. But IF / When he gets demoted I might laugh at you. You've earned it. Try defending him on another board. You'll be laughed at.

Really that's your answer, You made the claim that the completion percentage against bush was terrible, I gave you the percentages of the top backers at the position, the numbers do not support that. Now you want to throw out the numbers and say it's based on your personal observation and a few cherry picked comments from other people. Now you are trying shift the goal posts to the 5th year option, when my response was to your claim about completion percentage stats. It's pretty black and white, either you can support that claim or you can't.

[Captain Lemming]

Hold on,

I need a chance to reply, and don't think wizard is what I call an informed poster. I'm an x-coach and former player ( not NFL )....not that that means I know the most here.

He is using Bobby Wagner age ( nice to compare him to a man in the in 20's ? ) and Fred Warner. Wagner is old an in decline

One, and this is big, Bush, as the rookie he's praising as excellent in coverage, has never been under 66.7% in coverage for his career!

First of all, I'm gonna just round the numbers.

You want a 20 something? A fair comp? Someone KNOWN as an excellent coverage backer?

The other Devin...Pro bowler Devin White.

EXACT SAME DRAFT.

White 2019 75 percent allowed (67 for Bush)
White 2020 85 percent allowed (63 for Bush)
White 2021 83 percent allowed (70 for Bush)

Bush has defensed more passes in his career than White despite missing most of 2020.

Bush has more interceptions in his career than White despite missing most of 2020.