A bunch of Mularky!!!

[flippy]

Plenty of interim head coaches don’t get hired full time.

Look at the Raiders gig. Interim coach gets them to the playoffs. They still hired Josh McDaniels.

True, but to SFITO's point, if your interim guy is someone the team likes and he has a chance to work in the system, if a team wants that guy, no one is getting a shot at that job. Should they even have to interview in that situation? It has a potential to be a sham interview for everyone.

[feltdizz]

I guess I struggle with these notions. If I want to be a winning organization, why wouldn't I go after the best candidate? Black, White, Purple or Blue I wouldn't care. I want to win. If it's a black head coach leading a black QB with a white secondary...if they are the best what does it matter about race? I know it happens. I know it happens even in this community. I see the subtle and sometimes not so subtle racist edge to why some members like one player over another. I mean just check the planetsteelers front page. They still have an article posted, likely written by the owner of this site about a "lazy black man". He's dead and it's still not taken down. By the accounts of all Haskins teammates and his coach, he was hard working, giving, kind and a terrific teammate.

how can you have this mindset given what we have seen in the NFL with some of these hired.

Did the Jets really want to win and hire the best guy when they chose Adam Gase?

Did the Lions really want to win when they hired Matt Patricia?

Jags and Urban Meyer?

Seriously.. I don’t see how people can see some of these franchises moves and think they really want to win. Sell tickets and create hype? Sure.. but actually wanting to win?

Wouldn’t you hire coaches who have a history of winning or aggressively pursue a HC with a proven track record vs gambling on a newbie?

and I know people will use Tomlin or Cowher as an example but we are a franchise with a history of success and a FO who surrounds HC’s with a winning culture.

How can anyone look at the Texas interviewing Josh McNown multiple years and think they want to win? I think some owners and GM’s are more concerned with proving they can win THEIR way which is why we see guys get hired who suck at the job.

I’ll put it this way.. in HS my basketball coach fake moved to our district so his kid could play for us. Faked having a rocky marriage and everything. When his son got hurt, we won more games. When he returned, he played more and we won less. After his senior season, the coach decided to leave the team to spend more time with his family.

My point.. some people are more worried about winning off the field than on the field. This is how an O’Brien can trade Hopkins for a box of peanuts and get fired 4 games later. Its crazy how some will sacrifice their own stuff success to make sure certain people don’t get to enjoy success.

[feltdizz]

True, but to SFITO's point, if your interim guy is someone the team likes and he has a chance to work in the system, if a team wants that guy, no one is getting a shot at that job. Should they even have to interview in that situation? It has a potential to be a sham interview for everyone.

yes.. they should have interviews because that is the rule. Plus you may think you have your guy until someone else shows up and blows them out the water.

Rivera fulfilled the Rooney Rule, people often forget that. What if we never interviewed Tomlin?

The NFL should always conduct interviews and if they can’t keep their cool long enough to do it honestly they should be punished.

[flippy]

how can you have this mindset given what we have seen in the NFL with some of these hired.

Did the Jets really want to win and hire the best guy when they chose Adam Gase?

Did the Lions really want to win when they hired Matt Patricia?

Jags and Urban Meyer?

Seriously.. I don’t see how people can see some of these franchises moves and think they really want to win. Sell tickets and create hype? Sure.. but actually wanting to win?

Wouldn’t you hire coaches who have a history of winning or aggressively pursue a HC with a proven track record vs gambling on a newbie?

and I know people will use Tomlin or Cowher as an example but we are a franchise with a history of success and a FO who surrounds HC’s with a winning culture.

How can anyone look at the Texas interviewing Josh McNown multiple years and think they want to win? I think some owners and GM’s are more concerned with proving they can win THEIR way which is why we see guys get hired who suck at the job.

I’ll put it this way.. in HS my basketball coach fake moved to our district so his kid could play for us. Faked having a rocky marriage and everything. When his son got hurt, we won more games. When he returned, he played more and we won less. After his senior season, the coach decided to leave the team to spend more time with his family.

My point.. some people are more worried about winning off the field than on the field. This is how an O’Brien can trade Hopkins for a box of peanuts and get fired 4 games later. Its crazy how some will sacrifice their own stuff success to make sure certain people don’t get to enjoy success.

Just because people aren't good at competing or building a winner doesn't necessarily mean they don't want to win.

For most owners, this is a side business or something that was handed to them and they don't necessarily have experience and are often learning as they go.

I'd say in general, winning isn't easy. And if it's not 100% of your focus, as an owner who's going to take accountability if you aren't?

[feltdizz]

Just because people aren't good at competing or building a winner doesn't necessarily mean they don't want to win.

For most owners, this is a side business or something that was handed to them and they don't necessarily have experience and are often learning as they go.

I'd say in general, winning isn't easy. And if it's not 100% of your focus, as an owner who's going to take accountability if you aren't?

Do the Pirates “want” to win?

Anyone can say they want to win but actions speak louder than words.

[flippy]

Do the Pirates “want” to win?

Anyone can say they want to win but actions speak louder than words.

I assume they do to keep my sanity

And in fairness, they probably want to win at a price and just haven't figured out how to make it work. Although since they won the World Series in 79, it took then 11 years to get back into the playoffs in 90-92. Then it took them another 21 years to get back to the playoffs in 13-15 for another 3 year stretch. So now, I'm guessing it'll be another 31 years until a 3 year run from 2046-49 if the trend continues. We've still got 24 years to go. Just have a little patience. We'll either be back in business then or baseball will be long dead

[Captain Lemming]

I assume they do to keep my sanity

And in fairness, they probably want to win at a price and just haven't figured out how to make it work. Although since they won the World Series in 79, it took then 11 years to get back into the playoffs in 90-92. Then it took them another 21 years to get back to the playoffs in 13-15 for another 3 year stretch. So now, I'm guessing it'll be another 31 years until a 3 year run from 2046-49 if the trend continues. We've still got 24 years to go. Just have a little patience. We'll either be back in business then or baseball will be long dead

To keep YOUR sanity Flippy? Clearly they are NOT doing that.

You could just have said the answer is NO.

(And I thought "I" was unnecessarily verbose)

[Chucktownsteeler]

What impact would women owners, HCs, GMs, QBs, etc have on the game?

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To be fair there are and have been women owners of sports teams. Some have been successful.

And answering another thread, the only team I can think of that may not want to win is the Florida Marlins.

[feltdizz]

I assume they do to keep my sanity

And in fairness, they probably want to win at a price and just haven't figured out how to make it work. Although since they won the World Series in 79, it took then 11 years to get back into the playoffs in 90-92. Then it took them another 21 years to get back to the playoffs in 13-15 for another 3 year stretch. So now, I'm guessing it'll be another 31 years until a 3 year run from 2046-49 if the trend continues. We've still got 24 years to go. Just have a little patience. We'll either be back in business then or baseball will be long dead

nah.. they know what it takes to
win and that would cost money. They are fine just making money off revenue sharing.

Even this year, they sent their most exciting player to the minors.. and we all know its so they can save money later since he won’t have X amount of games for arbitration.

Worst franchise in sports.