Is Brian Flores the de facto DC?

[feltdizz]

I really do think lots of little positive things collectively move the needle and this will make an impact for generations to come.

Lefty and B are just 2 guys. And there's the possibility those 2 guys just haven't been a fit for any club for whatever reason. What have the done on their resumes to earn them a HC spot? Is Lefty the guy you want working with some young QB cause he's the guy who got Tom Brady to another SuperBowl that he couldn't have gotten to without Lefty? Or has B had an impact on Mahommes and made him a superstar?

What sucks for the black HC movement is pinning your offensive hope on 2 guys that might not be the best potential guys. And that's where having many more guys to choose from can only help the cause. Do you really see Lefty and B on the level of guys like Tomlin and Flores who are legit HCs and leaders? Not that they couldn't be, but I don't see it.

It's hard to boil the ocean so unfortunately we have to settle for baby steps as small victories that add up.

everyone is just a guy tho Flippy.

Do you ask those questions when the OC who doesn’t call plays for a stacked Rams team gets a HC gig?

Does the OC for SF get a HC gig without Deebo running the rock?

How many Patriot coaches got HC gigs due to Brady and NE cheating but as soon as he goes to Tampa and wins Lefty is just some dude who lucked up?

I think that type of approach shows the bias owners may have if we used your logic.

[WindyCitySteel]

Owners are going to hire who they want. This latest change won't do a damn thing. Look at Lefty and Beinemy. It isn't about playing Quarterback or coaching on offense. Usually when an OC wins a SB they are immediately up for a coaching gig. Owners are gong to hire who makes them comfortable and its a copycat league, everyone wants the young white head coach right now.

Just the way it is and no rule will change these owners minds.

Not if the snippet I posted was true - they will be forced to hire a minority or woman as an offensive assistant.

BTW, I've heard rumors that Bienemy doesn't interview well and isn't too bright. Not everything is about racism.

[flippy]

everyone is just a guy tho Flippy.

Do you ask those questions when the OC who doesn’t call plays for a stacked Rams team gets a HC gig?

Does the OC for SF get a HC gig without Deebo running the rock?

How many Patriot coaches got HC gigs due to Brady and NE cheating but as soon as he goes to Tampa and wins Lefty is just some dude who lucked up?

I think that type of approach shows the bias owners may have if we used your logic.

I hear ya. And most are just a guy. except for a couple. I get going with Daboll for example cause he gets a lot of credit for fixing/developing Allen. I get a guy like Flores if he becomes a HC.

The crux of the issue goes back to L and B are 2 guys which is a really small sample size and neither has done anything that has really stood out for either. Maybe they both need PR guys to create a story to get them more attention. Maybe they’d be great HCs. I have no idea.

Maybe they got promoted over their heads already trying to help drive diversity? We really can’t know for sure.

But it’s ultimately a numbers game. Get more assistants and O coaches to chose from which is what they’re trying here.

The payoff won’t be immediate, but I think it will be better building a better foundation of talent for the long term.

I hear the complaints about owners, but there is some economic balance to their feelings. They want to do the things that make them the most money in the end too so I can also see why there’s incentive to diversify their coaching ranks.

I also get for many, change can’t happen fast enough. We all empathize with that on many other levels. That aligns with the human condition.

[feltdizz]

I hear ya. And most are just a guy. except for a couple. I get going with Daboll for example cause he gets a lot of credit for fixing/developing Allen. I get a guy like Flores if he becomes a HC.

The crux of the issue goes back to L and B are 2 guys which is a really small sample size and neither has done anything that has really stood out for either. Maybe they both need PR guys to create a story to get them more attention. Maybe they’d be great HCs. I have no idea.

Maybe they got promoted over their heads already trying to help drive diversity? We really can’t know for sure.

But it’s ultimately a numbers game. Get more assistants and O coaches to chose from which is what they’re trying here.

The payoff won’t be immediate, but I think it will be better building a better foundation of talent for the long term.

I hear the complaints about owners, but there is some economic balance to their feelings. They want to do the things that make them the most money in the end too so I can also see why there’s incentive to diversify their coaching ranks.

I also get for many, change can’t happen fast enough. We all empathize with that on many other levels. That aligns with the human condition.

Better PR guys? What better PR is there than playoff football and announcers gushing over them and saying they should be HC’s soon.

Has anyone heard any PR stuff about the recent coaches who were OC’s for the Rams and 49ers?

Did we even know their names before they were hired? Maybe if you follow those teams but when watching those teams I
mostly heard about how genius the HC’s were at offense.

The Carolina Panther GM said a lot of GM’s are younger now and they are all friends and their wives are friends.. and I think franchises are just pulling from those “friends” suggestions and guys like Lefty and Bienemy aren’t in that circle. They also are on staffs with old head coaches too.

I think unless Lefty and Bienemy go to teams with young HC’s they will continue to struggle to get HC gigs

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I like this new move. I like it more than the previous rules that incentivize teams to hire someone who they normally would not deem the most qualified by dangling the carrot of extra draft picks.

There is no limit to the number of coaches a team can have. Adding an assistant is akin to a paid internship. It is on the job training for someone who is already involved in the sport. This opportunity gives that person both added exposure and experience while not limiting somebody who a team may think is more qualified from getting the job.

[Chucktownsteeler]

How many current NFL head-coaches played in the NFL? I am thinking Harbaugh but can't come up with any others. Just curious.

[NJ-STEELER]

Frank reich.

vrabel

lions coach ( name escapes me at the moment )

not sure if klingberry played a game or not.

Leftwich turned down a HC gig

[Chucktownsteeler]

Frank reich.

vrabel

lions coach ( name escapes me at the moment )

not sure if klingberry played a game or not.

Leftwich turned down a HC gig

That looks like 4 total. I don't think Kingsbury played, 5 if I'm wrong. Lefty didn't turn the job down, it was his to lose and he went in the interview process demanding the GM be fired. Maybe the GM should be fired but you don't spout that off in the interview. Not a smart thing to do.

I guess my point is not every great player has the pre-requisite to be a great coach. Bradshaw, Ben, Brady, Pouncey, Franco, Rocky, etc., you name them may not have the desire or skills to be a coach. It doesn't work that way. I think Peyton Manning might make a great coach, who knows. But just because you played in the NFL doesn't qualify you to be a coach. If it did Tomlin would have been disqualified.

Most players retire multi-millionaires. The job of a head-coach is uber demanding. Most just want to leave the game and enjoy life.

I think Lefty would be a great coach. Maybe Dobbs as well. It takes a lot to be a coach, not just the ability to play. Does it help? Sure. Is it the end-all, be-all? Many great coaches never played the game.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I guess my point is not every great player has the pre-requisite to be a great coach.

I think that it is the opposite. Great players who go on to coach are usually not that good. Wayne Gretzky is a great example because great players think that everyone thinks the game the same way they did, and almost nobody does.

A Bill Cowher is more likely to be a successful coach because he knew how hard you have to work to get there and even harder to stay. I find that in sports the players who view the game from a different angle often do best. In baseball: catchers, in hockey: goalies.

[Chucktownsteeler]

I think that it is the opposite. Great players who go on to coach are usually not that good. Wayne Gretzky is a great example because great players think that everyone thinks the game the same way they did, and almost nobody does.

A Bill Cowher is more likely to be a successful coach because he knew how hard you have to work to get there and even harder to stay. I find that in sports the players who view the game from a different angle often do best. In baseball: catchers, in hockey: goalies.

I think that is what I stated.

[WindyCitySteel]

Buuuuump.

Saw an early clip of Flores appearing to send DBs in on a play. Wouldn't that normally be the DC or DB coach's job? Where was Austin, in the booth?

[NorthCoast]

Buuuuump.

Saw an early clip of Flores appearing to send DBs in on a play. Wouldn't that normally be the DC or DB coach's job? Where was Austin, in the booth?

Austin's in the booth, Flores on the field. It's a great setup imo.