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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 26640

    #46
    Originally posted by Oviedo
    I love the Trubisky signing

    However, the Brown's have destroyed their relationship with Mayfield

    Mitch or Baker?

    I take Mitch because I think his best is ahead of him
    How about the guy the Steelers already have?

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    • feltdizz
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      • May 2008
      • 27568

      #47
      Originally posted by NorthCoast
      It is odd on the Ravens part because time favors LJ. QB contracts aren't going down and the longer they drag it out the more the number will go up. Although having said that, Mayfield's next contract should help to dampen things a bit.
      From what I can tell the Ravens want to get a contract done. LJ is the one being patient and taking his time.

      Mayfield isn’t helping any franchise trying to sign an elite QB.

      JuJu’s contract didn’t dampen the WR market for Tyreek Hill.
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      • feltdizz
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        • May 2008
        • 27568

        #48
        Originally posted by NorthCoast
        How about the guy the Steelers already have?
        Yeah, I’m not convinced Mitch has this job won. MR will give him a run. Hopefully it brings out the best in MR.

        That being said, it really shows how college stats don’t mean jack once you get to the NFL.
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        • NorthCoast
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          • Sep 2008
          • 26640

          #49
          Originally posted by feltdizz
          Yeah, I’m not convinced Mitch has this job won. MR will give him a run. Hopefully it brings out the best in MR.

          That being said, it really shows how college stats don’t mean jack once you get to the NFL.
          Since he was never really gonna get much chance to start I didn't check into Rudolph's draft profile. I found this writeup that seems to be accurate based on what we have seen so far;

          Mason Rudolph NFL Draft Profile
          In a loaded quarterback draft class, Mason Rudolph flies a little under the radar behind the likes of Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen. Yet the former Oklahoma State Cowboy still maintains a quality skill set to be a formidable signal caller at the next level.

          The first thing that stands out about Rudolph is his size. At 6 feet 5 inches tall and 230 pounds, Rudolph has the makings of a prototypical pocket passer. He also brings experience as a three-year starter in Stillwater. In his senior season, Rudolph amassed 4,904 yards passing, completed 65 percent of his passes and threw 37 touchdowns to nine interceptions.

          Rudolph comes from a football pedigree, with his father Brett, a former college quarterback at North Carolina and brother Logan, a sophomore linebacker at Clemson.

          Upside
          Experience
          A total of 42 games under his belt, Rudolph has the second most starts of the aforementioned prospects. Compared to Darnold, who has just under two seasons of playing time and last year’s first QB off the board, Mitchell Trubisky, with just one year as a full-time college starter, teams know what they’re getting with Rudolph. In each of his three full seasons at the helm, Rudolph improved his completion percentage, passing yards and touchdowns each year.


          Patience
          Rudolph’s size and strength allow him to stand tall in the pocket and deliver the football. He doesn’t panic under pressure and waits for routes to develop down the field. He shows a fearlessness to step into throws with defensive linemen bearing down on him and doesn’t shy away from contact.

          Mobility
          Not the fleetest of foot by any means, Rudolph does have the ability to move in the pocket to buy time. He also added 10 rushing touchdowns last season, giving offensive coordinators a wrinkle to add to their play calls.

          Downside
          System
          Quarterbacks from these types of spread offenses usually need an adjustment period in the NFL. Take a look at 2016 number one overall pick, Jared Goff, for example. The Cal product never took a snap under center in college and rarely called plays in the huddle. Thus, Goff struggled as a rookie, before breaking through this past season.


          Rudolph also played in the Big 12 where he saw a lot of vanilla Cover 4 zones that tend to leave wide open throwing lanes. In spite of his experience at the position, Rudolph will likely find himself behind a veteran while he develops in a pro offense.

          Arm Strength
          Rudolph doesn’t possess nearly the same arm talent as some of his colleagues like Rosen or Allen. He relies heavily on the timing of the routes and struggles throwing into tight windows. With a little more attention to his footwork, Rudolph can learn to use his legs and body placement more to help drive some of his throws.

          Vision
          Not asked to run the most complicated of schemes, Rudolph could improve working through his progressions downfield. He has the tendency to zero in on his primary target. Bigger, faster defensive backs in the NFL will have much better recovery speed to disrupt those number one reads. As he continues to grow as a quarterback, he can start to use his eyes to fool cornerbacks and safeties trying to undercut routes.

          Overview
          Rudolph certainly looks the part of an NFL quarterback. His toughness to stare down the gun barrel amidst heavy pressure is admirable. He has sneaky athleticism and could be an even bigger threat if he learns to throw accurately on the run. Maybe not the most heavily touted prospect coming out of college, Rudolph could still become a viable NFL starter if he finds the right fit.

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          • Flasteel
            Hall of Famer
            • May 2008
            • 4008

            #50
            Originally posted by Eich
            Would be pretty fun to get Baker on the cheap and leave the Clowns to pay out his current contract. I doubt it will happen but it's not outside the realm of Clowndom. That could be a massive factory of sadness. Clowns get Watson and can't play him the whole season. They get rid of Baker to an AFCN rival and swallow his salary. Then they trot out Jacoby Brissett for 2022. And then start Watson in 2023 under a mountain of cap hit.
            This is exactly the spiral of sadness I was thinking, when weighing whether I'd like to see us pick Mayfield up on a veteran minimum contract, after his release from the Stains. I honestly would not mind the competition in the room, if the Steelers did sign Mayfield. I would absolutely love it, if the rest of that scenario unfolded.
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            • Bawb the Revelator
              Pro Bowler
              • Jan 2022
              • 1975

              #51
              Originally posted by feltdizz
              We know Baker isn’t getting any better

              Mitch at least gives us hope that it was the Bears and not him. Plus Baker is tiny with a weak arm.
              Has anyone seen MR run any offense that wasn't designed for ben? As for Mitch, how seriously do you take the Bears brain trust and their 30 years of ****ing up any any all QBs? Haskins? I suspect that he's a head case but I'm an old Left Coast ex-Shrink so how do I know? Relax and enjoy the show.

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              • feltdizz
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                • May 2008
                • 27568

                #52
                Originally posted by Bawb the Revelator
                Has anyone seen MR run any offense that wasn't designed for ben? As for Mitch, how seriously do you take the Bears brain trust and their 30 years of ****ing up any any all QBs? Haskins? I suspect that he's a head case but I'm an old Left Coast ex-Shrink so how do I know? Relax and enjoy the show.
                No idea. Its going to be a fun camp watching all 3 to 4 QB’s compete for the starting gig.
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                • WindyCitySteel
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                  • Nov 2011
                  • 15684

                  #53
                  Originally posted by feltdizz
                  No idea. Its going to be a fun camp watching all 3 to 4 QB’s compete for the starting gig.
                  Mitch is notorious for balling out in preseason, both in Chicago and Buffalo.

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                  • flippy
                    Legend
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 17088

                    #54
                    Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                    Mitch is notorious for balling out in preseason, both in Chicago and Buffalo.

                    He's so much more athletic than everyone else that he won't be able to help looking better even if he's not.

                    I don't see how MR has a chance to compete here. At least Haskins has a way better arm and his arm is going to stand out no matter who we draft this year.
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                    • feltdizz
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                      • May 2008
                      • 27568

                      #55
                      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                      Mitch is notorious for balling out in preseason, both in Chicago and Buffalo.
                      well, Mason damn sure hasn’t impressed in preseason so maybe it means Mitch is better than Mason if it happens again.

                      I’ll take that over subpar preseason football and blaming it on vanilla offense
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                      • The Steeler Surfer
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2022
                        • 3

                        #56
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        We know Baker isnÂ’t getting any better

                        Mitch at least gives us hope that it was the Bears and not him. Plus Baker is tiny with a weak arm.
                        It was The Bears. His head coach inherited Mitch and never wanted him, even sabotaging his own QB. Trubisky tried to bridge thd gap by wanting to meet with his coach to go over the offense and how he can improve under it and Nagy didn't even bother to shoe up to it.

                        What makes Nagy doing Trubisky in funny is Mitch was the only signal caller who succeeded in Chi's offense. Foles, who Matt hand picked because he played in it before, struggled and was benched due to lack of production. In several instances he out and out said "this offense doesn't work" and Nagy's play calling was below par. #10 came in and managed to salvage the season and do enough to get his team into the playoffs, albeit barely.

                        Dalton an experienced QB and Justin Fields struggled in it as well. And when all three of them played under Chicago's former HC the offense looked putrid and pedestrian at best.

                        Four players turning into garbage, with three of them looking solid to good with other teams out and out points to coaching and schemes as the failure.
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                        • Ernie
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                          • Aug 2013
                          • 8470

                          #57
                          Originally posted by The Steeler Surfer
                          It was The Bears. His head coach inherited Mitch and never wanted him, even sabotaging his own QB. Trubisky tried to bridge thd gap by wanting to meet with his coach to go over the offense and how he can improve under it and Nagy didn't even bother to shoe up to it.

                          What makes Nagy doing Trubisky in funny is Mitch was the only signal caller who succeeded in Chi's offense. Foles, who Matt hand picked because he played in it before, struggled and was benched due to lack of production. In several instances he out and out said "this offense doesn't work" and Nagy's play calling was below par. #10 came in and managed to salvage the season and do enough to get his team into the playoffs, albeit barely.

                          Dalton an experienced QB and Justin Fields struggled in it as well. And when all three of them played under Chicago's former HC the offense looked putrid and pedestrian at best.

                          Four players turning into garbage, with three of them looking solid to good with other teams out and out points to coaching and schemes as the failure.
                          Excellent post filled with facts that should have us feeling pretty optimistic about Mitch T

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                          • NorthCoast
                            Legend
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 26640

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Ernie
                            Excellent post filled with facts that should have us feeling pretty optimistic about Mitch T
                            Tempered by the fact that the Steelers have an unknown quantity at OC who possibly wants to install a scheme that is not ideal for any of these QBs. He likes a lot of under center QB'ing and that has not been MR's or MT's offenses (at least in college).
                            When the scheme doesn't fit the QB they will struggle. Look what happened with Brady when he first got to TB. It was Arians offense they were trying to run and Brady looked bad. They were 7-5 at the bye. Then they changed things up to plays Brady wanted and the rest is history.

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                            • Ernie
                              Legend
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 8470

                              #59
                              Originally posted by NorthCoast
                              Tempered by the fact that the Steelers have an unknown quantity at OC who possibly wants to install a scheme that is not ideal for any of these QBs. He likes a lot of under center QB'ing and that has not been MR's or MT's offenses (at least in college).
                              When the scheme doesn't fit the QB they will struggle. Look what happened with Brady when he first got to TB. It was Arians offense they were trying to run and Brady looked bad. They were 7-5 at the bye. Then they changed things up to plays Brady wanted and the rest is history.
                              Mitch has done well under center and his play action passing game has been a strength.
                              I agree that Canada is in a sink or swim situation as an OC this year.. because he has a QB with some tools..

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                              • WindyCitySteel
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                                • Nov 2011
                                • 15684

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Bawb the Revelator
                                Has anyone seen MR run any offense that wasn't designed for ben?
                                Wasn't that all of 2019?

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