Kenny Picket's hand size? Hit or pass?

[Northern_Blitz]

From what I remember Flutie was a baller.

6-3 his first year with NE.

He went 21-9 in 3 years at Buffalo too.

Just seemed like teams refused to commit to him due to his size.

We got a bunch of guys together on a bus from Toronto to see the Bills play when I was in my 20s. Flutie was their backup and Rob Johnson was their starter. I think they were playing the Ricky Williams Miami Dolphins.

And they were not doing well.

So we started chanting for Flutie to come in.

And I though we were going to get the crap kicked out of us from the drunken Bills fans. "Support your team", "Johnson is our QB", etc.

And this was a 4 pm game and we'd been tail gaiting since like 9 am. So I don't think anyone in the stadium was in good shape.

Thankfully we got through it with no serious altercations.

Another friend of mine had her card torched in the parking lot at a Bills game. I know she is a Pats fan, but I don't know if she was outwardly showing that (either in person or on her car).

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Is there any correlation between hand size and success in the NFL? If it hasn't caused him to fumble or throw a bunch of ducks in college, I can't see why it's an issue.

Fumbles seem to be the worry, i'm not sure if it's really a thing.
Also, the NFL ball is bigger than college, so that extra girth on the ball could cause an issue throwing it.

[Chucktownsteeler]

Fumbles seem to be the worry, i'm not sure if it's really a thing.
Also, the NFL ball is bigger than college, so that extra girth on the ball could cause an issue throwing it.

Fumbles, coupled with larger football and inclement weather. Keep in mind his college games were usually done by Thanksgiving. If they did get a bowl game they are held in warmer weather stadiums. The QB from Seattle in the late 70s and 80s had small hands as well and I think fumbles were a problem. I can't recall his name was it Dave Kreig ?

[NorthCoast]

Fumbles, coupled with larger football and inclement weather. Keep in mind his college games were usually done by Thanksgiving. If they did get a bowl game they are held in warmer weather stadiums. The QB from Seattle in the late 70s and 80s had small hands as well and I think fumbles were a problem. I can't recall his name was it Dave Kreig ?

He wears a glove in bad whether (Maniac's spelling).

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Is there any correlation between hand size and success in the NFL? If it hasn't caused him to fumble or throw a bunch of ducks in college, I can't see why it's an issue.

Picket fumbled 26 times in college. He has 8.5 inch hands, well bellow the 9" minimum NFL teams " must have " measurements. It won't keep him from being drafted, but it's a red flag for sure.

[feltdizz]

Just heard Mike Vick had the same hand size. I doubt it impacts his draft status.

Now, I wonder if he was actually smaller before the hand stretching?

[feltdizz]

I think the fumbles may be overblown.

This year Bryce Young had 5 fumbles, Pickett had 4

2020 Pickett had 7.

2020 Malik Willis had 10 fumbles

2019 Justin Fields had 8

2019 Hurts had 8 at Oklahoma.

We have no idea how these fumbles happened so its hard to put it on hand size.

You can go here and click on the year to see fumbles by year for QB.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/player-stat/fumbles?season_id=119

[SteelBucks]

For comparison, Willis hand size was 9.5 inches. Ridder was 10”.

[NJ-STEELER]

This is from Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline:

“As far as his hands are concerned … you want your quarterback to have 9-inch hands,” Pauline said. “Now, I’ve been told time and time again by scouts, when Pickett’s hands were measured, they measured slightly over 8 inches — which would be a red flag.

“But there’s a caveat — there’s a curveball to this. I’ve verified this with a number of people. Kenny Pickett evidently has a double-jointed thumb on his throwing hand. Somebody said to me, ‘if you ever meet Pickett and he shakes your hand, the thumb seems all out of wack.’ That’s because it comes out sideways, and it doesn’t go straight up. And what that double-jointed thumb does, is it makes it easier for him to grip the football.

“I’ve talked to a couple of people that say ‘yeah, if his hands are under 9 inches,’ but the double-jointed thumb is working to his advantage — to basically grip the football. Some teams who really like Kenny Pickett may overlook the fact that his hands are under 9 inches if this double-jointed thumb is going to help him.

“Now what they’ll do, is they’ll put the ball in his hands, and they’ll try to beat it out of his hands to see if he can grip the football. But what I’m hearing is, this double-jointed thumb on Kenny Pickett’s throwing hand is actually working to his advantage and may offset the concerns about the small hand size.”

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/will-kenny-picketts-hand-size-impact-his-2022-nfl-draft-stock/ (https://www.profootballnetwork.com/will-kenny-picketts-hand-size-impact-his-2022-nfl-draft-stock/)

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I think the fumbles may be overblown.

This year Bryce Young had 5 fumbles, Pickett had 4

2020 Pickett had 7.

2020 Malik Willis had 10 fumbles

2019 Justin Fields had 8

2019 Hurts had 8 at Oklahoma.

We have no idea how these fumbles happened so its hard to put it on hand size.

You can go here and click on the year to see fumbles by year for QB.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college...?season_id=119

Holding on to the ball longer than you should leads to fumbles. 10 fumbles in a non power 5 conference? Red flag for Willis.

[NorthCoast]

Holding on to the ball longer than you should leads to fumbles. 10 fumbles in a non power 5 conference? Red flag for Willis.

Unless someone has details it's tough to make this call. Willis had almost 200 rushes last season. How many happened while running?
Regardless fumbles aren't a positive stat.

[feltdizz]

Holding on to the ball longer than you should leads to fumbles. 10 fumbles in a non power 5 conference? Red flag for Willis.

the film will tell us why. Anything else is just guessing and using our imagination.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Unless someone has details it's tough to make this call. Willis had almost 200 rushes last season. How many happened while running?
Regardless fumbles aren't a positive stat.

Too many fumbles playing Liberty completion. 10 fumbles is about a fumble a game he lost 3 running it. He has 13 picks in 13 games last year vs poor competition. He doesn't process well and takes lot of sacks. Form a production standpoint he a grade c- passer who vs better competition will struggle to move the chains in the NFL.

[Chucktownsteeler]

Too many fumbles playing Liberty completion. 10 fumbles is about a fumble a game he lost 3 running it. He has 13 picks in 13 games last year vs poor competition. He doesn't process well and takes lot of sacks. Form a production standpoint he a grade c- passer who vs better competition will struggle to move the chains in the NFL.

If this is all true I hope we pass on him.

[WindyCitySteel]

Flat hand measurement doesn't make sense for QBs. Print a ruler around a standard NFL football and measure how much of it you span when you grip the ball. Guessing Pickett's measurement would be higher than 8.5". He just can't lay his hand flat, something that is not needed to hold a football.