Kenny Picket's hand size? Hit or pass?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

There is no arguing he was a productive player last year, but how will he rate as a pro? How much did his supporting cast help him? I say pass, but he'll likely be gone before we pick and no way should we trade up for him costing a lot of draft capital.

[Chucktownsteeler]

I don't think he gets past Carolina.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I don't think he gets past Carolina.

I do. What is great at? He's good at a lot but very much a poor man's Joe Burrow. He's a quarterback and most likely the first one taken. I view him as a late first round pick. Besides he got the smallest **** in the NFL. That is what they say anyway.

[Chucktownsteeler]

I do. What is great at? He's good at a lot but very much a poor man's Joe Burrow. He's a quarterback and most likely the first one taken. I view him as a late first round pick. Besides he got the smallest **** in the NFL. That is what they say anyway.

I am not defending him and in fact have been a little negative of him. However, there are organizations that have gone goo-goo over him. I think he benefitted tremendously from his 5th year at Pitt, which may cause him to be over drafted.

As I said on an earlier thread Burrow will cause Pickett to be over drafted.

[feltdizz]

I do. What is great at? He's good at a lot but very much a poor man's Joe Burrow. He's a quarterback and most likely the first one taken. I view him as a late first round pick. Besides he got the smallest **** in the NFL. That is what they say anyway.

He’s good at extending plays, he has decent ball placement and a nice deep ball.

He also is willing to tuck and run for a first down. I watched him grind out a few first downs on key drives where a lot of QB’s would bail or slide short of the first down.

He had the controversial fake slide in the ACC Championship game but that was still a 70 yard run.

42 TD’s his last year.. its pretty obvious what he does well.

[SteelBucks]

I wouldn’t trade up to get him but I’d gladly take him at #20.

[Eich]

Is there any correlation between hand size and success in the NFL? If it hasn't caused him to fumble or throw a bunch of ducks in college, I can't see why it's an issue.

[NorthCoast]

An 8 1/2" hand is small. But tape should say whether to be concerned or not. Was he really known as a fumbler in college?

The other thing; we talk about is whether a QB has "it" and I would say Pickett has more "it" than any other QB in this draft. He won't be around for the Steelers to be teased anyway at #20.

[Northern_Blitz]

Is there any correlation between hand size and success in the NFL? If it hasn't caused him to fumble or throw a bunch of ducks in college, I can't see why it's an issue.

Who knows? My guess is that predicting QB success is much more complicated than looking at a single variable...or any suite of variables. Scouting QBs seems to be just about the hardest thing to do in sports...or maybe it's just that QB is super hard to play so that most QBs "fail", but we keep looking for reasons why they'd "succeed".

I don't know how true it was, but I remember a friend of mine who was an Eagles fan always lamenting McNabb's small hands and his high fumble rate. But I never verified that (1) he had small hands and (2) he had a higher than normal fumble rate.

My guess is that it's just an academic question for us because I don't think he'll be around when we draft. And I don't see us spending a ton of capital to move up for any of the QBs in this class. Especially since we're pretty late in the 1st and I'd imagine that 2 QBs probably go in the top 10 or so (because QBs are always over drafted).

[flippy]

An 8 1/2" hand is small. But tape should say whether to be concerned or not. Was he really known as a fumbler in college?

The other thing; we talk about is whether a QB has "it" and I would say Pickett has more "it" than any other QB in this draft. He won't be around for the Steelers to be teased anyway at #20.

He’s a fumbler.

I think somewhere around 40 fumbles in the last 4 years.

And the NFL ball can be bigger.

Also, how well does he throw in cold weather? Could be another issue with smaller hands.

[Eich]

He’s a fumbler.

I think somewhere around 40 fumbles in the last 4 years.

And the NFL ball can be bigger.

Also, how well does he throw in cold weather? Could be another issue with smaller hands.

Guess he's not doing the Big-Ben-Pump-Fake in December!

[SteelBucks]

He’s a fumbler.

I think somewhere around 40 fumbles in the last 4 years.

And the NFL ball can be bigger.

Also, how well does he throw in cold weather? Could be another issue with smaller hands.

The NFL ball is wider and more slick. I think that’s why everyone is bringing up hand size.

[whisper]

He’s a fumbler.

I think somewhere around 40 fumbles in the last 4 years.

And the NFL ball can be bigger.

Also, how well does he throw in cold weather? Could be another issue with smaller hands.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/story/_/id/28770715/why-nfl-combine-built-myth-qb-hand-size-measurement-mean-anything

That's what they say.

[Northern_Blitz]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/s...-mean-anything

That's what they say.

I bet it's a bit like with Green's arm length.

Hand size / arm length / other physical parameter, probably isn't hugely important by itself if it's within some acceptable range.

But you probably don't want to be in the case where "no QB has hands as small as Pickett" or "close to no starting Cs with shorter arms".

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33412899/qb-kenny-pickett-registers-8-1-2-inch-hand-measurement-nfl-combine

I think being outside the full distribution of starters in the league for a trait that might be at least somewhat useful isn't a good thing...especially if you're not seen as a sure thing / elite player.

Doesn't mean that he'll absolutely fail, but it probably increases the chances.

There's a reason Doug Flutie dominated in the CFL (he was a "huge gamer" that had "it"), but not in the NFL (too short @ 5'10" ? to see over linemen). Maybe that's less of a limitation now (Murray is also 5'10")?

Was Flutie really 5'10? Here he is standing next to Drew Brees who is listed at 6'0".

[feltdizz]

I bet it's a bit like with Green's arm length.

Hand size / arm length / other physical parameter, probably isn't hugely important by itself if it's within some acceptable range.

But you probably don't want to be in the case where "no QB has hands as small as Pickett" or "close to no starting Cs with shorter arms".

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33412899/qb-kenny-pickett-registers-8-1-2-inch-hand-measurement-nfl-combine

I think being outside the full distribution of starters in the league for a trait that might be at least somewhat useful isn't a good thing...especially if you're not seen as a sure thing / elite player.

Doesn't mean that he'll absolutely fail, but it probably increases the chances.

There's a reason Doug Flutie dominated in the CFL (he was a "huge gamer" that had "it"), but not in the NFL (too short @ 5'10" ? to see over linemen). Maybe that's less of a limitation now (Murray is also 5'10")?

Was Flutie really 5'10? Here he is standing next to Drew Brees who is listed at 6'0".

From what I remember Flutie was a baller.

6-3 his first year with NE.

He went 21-9 in 3 years at Buffalo too.

Just seemed like teams refused to commit to him due to his size.