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  • J_C_Steel

    Hines Ward IS Clutch...

    This is something I posted over on StillerNation a while ago. I thought you guys might like to read it...

    When you bring your best at the biggest moments, that's clutch. When you have one 100-yard receiving game all year, and that comes in a playoff game, that's clutch.

    Here's an interesting statistical comparison.

    Hines Ward in the playoffs:

    11 games (team record 7-4)

    67 catches, 896 yards, 13.4 yards per catch, 8 touchdowns
    7 rushes, 31 yards, 4.4 yards per rush
    Five 100-yard receiving games

    Average game -- 6.1 catches, 81.5 yards, 13.4 yards per catch, .73 TDs


    Plaxico Burress in the playoffs:

    8 games (team record 4-4)

    32 catches, 505 yards, 15.8 yards per catch, 5 touchdowns
    One 100-yard receiving game

    Average game -- 4 catches, 63.1 yards, 15.8 yards per catch, .63 TDs

    Terrell Owens in the playoffs:

    10 games (team record 4-6)

    50 catches, 702 yards, 14.0 yards per catch, 4 touchdowns
    Three 100-yard receiving games

    Average game -- 5 catches, 70.2 yards, 14.0 yards per catch, .40 TDs

    Randy Moss in the playoffs:

    8 games (team record 4-4)

    35 catches, 723 yards, 20.7 yards per catch, 9 touchdowns
    Three 100-yard receiving games

    Average game -- 4.4 catches, 90.4 yards, 20.7 yards per catch, 1.13 TDs

    Marvin Harrison in the playoffs:

    14 games (team record 7-7)

    60 catches, 835 yards, 14.2 yards per catch, 2 touchdowns
    One 100-yard receiving game

    Average game -- 4.3 catches, 59.6 yards, 14.2 yards per catch, .14 TDs

    Reggie Wayne in the playoffs:

    11 games (team record 7-4)

    55 catches, 758 yards, 13.8 yards per catch, 6 touchdowns
    One 100-yard receiving game (it was a 200-yard game)

    Average game -- 5 catches, 68.9 yards, 13.8 yards per catch, .55 TDs


    What does this tell you? Well, it tells you that Hines Ward, despite not being nearly as talented as the other above-listed gentlemen, has OUT-PERFORMED every one of them, save Randy Moss, in the playoffs.

    And Randy Moss is probably the most talented wide receiver ever.

    Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne may get to Canton, but they haven't performed NEARLY at Hines Ward's level in the playoffs. Plaxico Burress may put up better regular season statistics than Hines, but he hasn't made the post-season impact that Hines has.

    Hines has more playoff 100-yard receiving games than Plaxico Burress, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne COMBINED (5 to 3) -- and he did that in 22 less games (33 total games to 11). Also, Hines scores touchdowns at almost double the rate of Terrell Owens in the playoffs.

    He may have had his worst year in the last seven this past campaign, but Hines brought it when it mattered. Let's give him props for his 10-catch, 135-yard performance against the Jags, and for his prior playoff performances.

    I, for one, am glad that Hines is on this team. Especially in January.

  • Flasteel
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 4004

    #2
    Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

    Remind me again. Who on that list has a Super Bowl MVP trophy in their case?

    Hines Ward has already earned his ticket to Canton in my opinion and the best part is we're still going to get a few more years of watching him play. When we took him out of Georgia in '98, it made the draft for me even though he was a Bulldog. Despite that, I never would have envisioned that he would go on to have the career that he's had and make the impact he's made.

    I really don't get the mentality of those who bash Ward or speak ill of him. He epitomizes toughness and as you did a fine job of detailing J C, he's as clutch as they come. While I don't know the man personally, it seems pretty obvious that he's at least as good of a man off the field as he is a warrior on it.

    In every sense imaginable, Hines Ward is an asset to the Steeler legacy.
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    • MeetJoeGreene
      Hall of Famer
      • May 2008
      • 3221

      #3
      Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

      Somehow I don't think this will turn into a 35 page thread and generate the arguments that it did on SN.

      Nice solid research and analysis JC.

      It would be hard for me to argue with those facts even if I were of a mind to. Which I am not.
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      • AngryAsian
        Hall of Famer
        • May 2008
        • 3010

        #4
        Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

        Yet another Steeler to be proud of. This is quite a statement... My All Time Favorite Steeler Receiver Ever.

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        • Chavezz
          Backup
          • May 2008
          • 465

          #5
          Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

          Ward need to have another big year or two or atleast he needs to play big in the playoffs or Super Bowl to make it in to the HOF.

          I love Ward the player but when you look at his regular season stats compared to the stats of the WR's that he will be compared to for HOF induction he doesn't really stand out ENOUGH to make it IMO.

          I don't disagree that he's the best WR that the Pittsburgh Steelers have ever had but that doesn't mean that he's in the HOF.

          Maybe if the HOF comittee takes into consideration his entire body of work, blocking, WR on a run 1st, 2nd and 3rd team, QB's of the likes of Kordell, O'Donnell, Maddox etc. then he might get in if there is a weak HOF class.

          I don't think he does it sadly but that's ok, he is/was a great player and if there was a HOVG (Hall of Very Good) he'd be a 1st ballot.
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          • NKySteeler
            Hall of Famer
            • May 2008
            • 3111

            #6
            Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

            Yes, JC.... Good post....

            ...Ward IS clutch, and the numbers definitely prove it... Then, toss in the times where you've seen him play hurt/injured, with the emotion of a true competitor... That, IMO, is what makes him clutch... He battles right down to the end. ... Aching back, injured leg, it doesn't matter... If he can walk, you'll see him back out there. Sometimes that smile seems more like a grimace of pain, but he will go the distance...
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            • costanza2k1
              Hall of Famer
              • Mar 2008
              • 2579

              #7
              Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

              I'm afraid Chavez maybe right. The NFL won't look at his toughness, being clutch, all around solid WR...they will look at stats respective to the other NFL receivers not just team history. Hopefully we can get into another bowl and win it...when he gets there he will be solid. It will be interesting to see how his numbers grow/decline this year with the other weapons around him.
              ours is not to wonder why just invert and multiply...

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              • NKySteeler
                Hall of Famer
                • May 2008
                • 3111

                #8
                Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

                I don't know stan...

                Career numbers:

                Ward: 719/8737-65
                [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4323"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/p ... atsId=4323[/url]

                Plex: 470/7391-51
                [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5037"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/p ... atsId=5037[/url]

                T.O.: 882/13,070-129
                [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_Owens"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_Owens[/url]

                Moss: 774/12,193-124
                [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1433"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/p ... yerId=1433[/url]

                Harrison: 1,042/13,944-123
                [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Harrison"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Harrison[/url]

                ...Maybe not the best career numbers, but combined w/the MVP, and effort, I say yes...
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                • BURGH86STEEL
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 6921

                  #9
                  Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

                  I think Hines should go into the HOF. I doubt the HOF voters will put him in. If Cris Carter and Monk did not get in when they were supposed to, the voters will have a very hard time putting Hines there. They will overlook that fact that he put up decent numbers in a predominantly run offense. There are times when the HOF selection committee is a joke.

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                  • costanza2k1
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 2579

                    #10
                    Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

                    Originally posted by NKySteeler
                    I don't know stan...

                    Career numbers:

                    Ward: 719/8737-65
                    [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4323"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/p ... atsId=4323[/url]

                    Plex: 470/7391-51
                    [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5037"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/p ... atsId=5037[/url]

                    T.O.: 882/13,070-129
                    [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_Owens"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_Owens[/url]

                    Moss: 774/12,193-124
                    [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1433"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/p ... yerId=1433[/url]

                    Harrison: 1,042/13,944-123
                    [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Harrison"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Harrison[/url]

                    ...Maybe not the best career numbers, but combined w/the MVP, and effort, I say yes...

                    would've helped if I would've looked at the numbers first I change my stance a bit, I do think he'll still need another Superbowl win, doesn't need to be the MVP just a team win and he's in. I mean what's not to like about him, guy gives it his all and is always smiling when he plays...he truly enjoys the game and makes it better for fans like me.
                    ours is not to wonder why just invert and multiply...

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                    • NKySteeler
                      Hall of Famer
                      • May 2008
                      • 3111

                      #11
                      Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

                      I think the "10,000" plateau is a measuring stick as well....
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                      • Chavezz
                        Backup
                        • May 2008
                        • 465

                        #12
                        Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

                        Originally posted by NKySteeler
                        I don't know stan...

                        Career numbers:

                        Ward: 719/8737-65
                        [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4323"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/p ... atsId=4323[/url]

                        Plex: 470/7391-51
                        [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5037"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/p ... atsId=5037[/url]

                        T.O.: 882/13,070-129
                        [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_Owens"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_Owens[/url]

                        Moss: 774/12,193-124
                        [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1433"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/p ... yerId=1433[/url]

                        Harrison: 1,042/13,944-123
                        [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Harrison"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Harrison[/url]

                        ...Maybe not the best career numbers, but combined w/the MVP, and effort, I say yes...
                        Now put up Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, Chad Johnson, Jerry Porter, Derrick Mason and any other #1 WR on their team and you'll see my argument.

                        Is Wards numbers better than theirs? Probably except for maybe Holt's or Bruce's but that's my point. Are they HOF better than these other guys?

                        So you got about 5-6 guys in total that are very comparable eligible around the same time. Then you have to figure the guys like Fitzgeralg, Roy Williams, Andre Johnson and other young guys that will be eligible 2-3 years after Ward hangs it up.

                        Not trying to be down on Ward at all, I probably defend him more than most but I'm just trying to be realistic.
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                        • NKySteeler
                          Hall of Famer
                          • May 2008
                          • 3111

                          #13
                          Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

                          Originally posted by Chavezz
                          ...and other young guys that will be eligible 2-3 years after Ward hangs it up.
                          Then maybe you just hit the nail on the head.... It will depend on WHEN he is eligible, compared to others...
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                          • Chavezz
                            Backup
                            • May 2008
                            • 465

                            #14
                            Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

                            Originally posted by NKySteeler
                            Originally posted by Chavezz
                            ...and other young guys that will be eligible 2-3 years after Ward hangs it up.
                            Then maybe you just hit the nail on the head.... It will depend on WHEN he is eligible, compared to others...
                            I think that's the key. It needs to be in a class where he is either the only or one of two WR's. They aren't going to put 3 WR's in on the same year would they?
                            http://www.planetsteelers.com/cpg141...serpics/cv.jpg

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                            • NKySteeler
                              Hall of Famer
                              • May 2008
                              • 3111

                              #15
                              Re: Hines Ward IS Clutch...

                              Originally posted by Chavezz
                              They aren't going to put 3 WR's in on the same year would they?
                              I don't think so.... Regardless how good they are.... Someone or two of them (in this situation) would probably be left out, IMO.
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