Can Brian Flores restore Devin Bush's swagger?

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  • Bawb the Revelator
    Pro Bowler
    • Jan 2022
    • 1975

    Can Brian Flores restore Devin Bush's swagger?

    https://youtu.be/yx35r8reI9s Maybe. Maybe not. We know Flores is a short term hire - or should know since Tomlin's not going
    anywhere with the Steelers. His job title - Linebacker Coach should be the 2nd tip off. Tomlin and Colbert made a very Un-Steelerlike move to get Bush and no one foresees any serious injury. Whether or not Bush is a "head case" as I guessed earlier
    is a moot question. Hiring Flores to mentor Bush just makes reasons for the move seem better: Season 2022 would have been Bush's now-or-never season to prove he was worth the move to drafting at #10. Hiring Flores is the ideal meeting of practicality with pragmatism. Cheers an' 'at
  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
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    #2
    if Flores can coach Devin Bush up back to his former self, then that alone will make this hire well worth it.

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    • Captain Lemming
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      • Jun 2008
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      #3
      Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
      if Flores can coach Devin Bush up back to his former self, then that alone will make this hire well worth it.
      And people completely forgot how good his former self was.

      The last Steeler linebacker with more tackles than rookie Bush was Lawrence Timmons.

      Most tackles by a Steeler rookie since the began keeping that stat.
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      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

      TCFCLTC-
      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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      • WindyCitySteel
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        #4
        Originally posted by Captain Lemming
        And people completely forgot how good his former self was.

        The last Steeler linebacker with more tackles than rookie Bush was Lawrence Timmons.

        Most tackles by a Steeler rookie since the began keeping that stat.
        That position makes a lot of tackles, especially when surrounded by the supporting cast he had in 2019. If Bush's ceiling is Timmons - who was good, not great - then it was a bad pick considering the draft capital spent.

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        • Northern_Blitz
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          • Dec 2008
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          #5
          Originally posted by Captain Lemming
          And people completely forgot how good his former self was.

          The last Steeler linebacker with more tackles than rookie Bush was Lawrence Timmons.

          Most tackles by a Steeler rookie since the began keeping that stat.
          Here's the sad part about Bush not being able to make tackles IMO:

          Timmon's most tackles / year was 135 comb (96 solo).

          Bush? 109 (72 solo) in 2019. But in 2021: 70 comb, 41 solo.

          But the sad part? Minkah was forced to make 124 comb (84 solo).

          To be fair, I guess Schobert made almost as many tackles as Minkah 112 comb (70 solo).

          I hope that next year our free safety can spend more time playing free safety and less time playing ILB. He's actually pretty good at it.

          Maybe knowing that he had to support the running game so much is part of the reason that his INT numbers dropped from 5 in 2019, 4 in 2020, to 2 in 2021.
          Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 02-25-2022, 04:03 PM.

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          • flippy
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            • Dec 2008
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            #6
            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
            Here's the sad part about Bush not being able to make tackles IMO:

            Timmon's most tackles / year was 135 comb (96 solo).

            Bush? 109 (72 solo) in 2019. But in 2021: 70 comb, 41 solo.

            But the sad part? Minkah was forced to make 124 comb (84 solo).

            To be fair, I guess Schobert made almost as many tackles as Minkah 112 comb (70 solo).

            I hope that next year our free safety can spend more time playing free safety and less time playing ILB. He's actually pretty good at it.

            Maybe knowing that he had to support the running game so much is part of the reason that his INT numbers dropped from 5 in 2019, 4 in 2020, to 2 in 2021.
            On a positive note, Minkah has become a decent tackler. He used to be a below average tackler.
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            • Captain Lemming
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              #7
              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
              That position makes a lot of tackles, especially when surrounded by the supporting cast he had in 2019. If Bush's ceiling is Timmons - who was good, not great - then it was a bad pick considering the draft capital spent.
              You are indeed a master of negative spin. Gotta admit talent.

              If a players rookie season is his ceiling our last two DPOY were backup quality players.

              If we get him back to who he was, he will grow from there.
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              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

              TCFCLTC-
              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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              • feltdizz
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                • May 2008
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                #8
                Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                You are indeed a master of negative spin. Gotta admit talent.

                If a players rookie season is his ceiling our last two DPOY were backup quality players.

                If we get him back to who he was, he will grow from there.
                ha.. that dude works over time to burst bubbles

                WindyScissorhands.. lol

                “POSITIVE THOUGHTS? NOT ON MY WATCH!!!”
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                • Captain Lemming
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                  • Jun 2008
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                  Here's the sad part about Bush not being able to make tackles IMO:

                  Timmon's most tackles / year was 135 comb (96 solo).
                  .
                  Comparing his rookie numbers to a career high? Really?

                  Sometime during his 3rd season, Timmons career tackles caught up to Bushs rookie numbers.
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                  In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                  TCFCLTC-
                  The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                  • Northern_Blitz
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                    • Dec 2008
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                    Comparing his rookie numbers to a career high? Really?

                    Sometime during his 3rd season, Timmons career tackles caught up to Bushs rookie numbers.
                    Didn't you bring this number up?

                    The last Steeler linebacker with more tackles than rookie Bush was Lawrence Timmons.
                    So I thought "I wonder what Bush's best year is compared to LT's?".

                    I was agreeing with you that Bush's rookie success was very good. Getting close to as good as our best recent ILB in his best year.

                    And putting some context around the decline. And how the guy picking up the slack is the guy we'd all rather have focusing on the pass.
                    Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 02-25-2022, 07:31 PM.

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                    • Captain Lemming
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                      • Jun 2008
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                      Didn't you bring this number up?



                      So I thought "I wonder what Bush's best year is compared to LT's?".

                      I was agreeing with you that Bush's rookie success was very good. Getting close to as good as our best recent ILB in his best year.

                      And putting some context around the decline. And how the guy picking up the slack is the guy we'd all rather have focusing on the pass.
                      Our communication has gone to pot NB.
                      We need counseling.
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                      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                      TCFCLTC-
                      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                      • Buzz
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                        • Dec 2017
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                        #12
                        I don't care if Flores restores Bush's swagger

                        I'd just like to see him bring him back to competency

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                        • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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                          • May 2008
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                          That position makes a lot of tackles, especially when surrounded by the supporting cast he had in 2019. If Bush's ceiling is Timmons - who was good, not great - then it was a bad pick considering the draft capital spent.
                          I'd say that Timmons was very good, not great. If Bush's ceiling is Timmons, I would say that the move was not worth the draft capital, but I would not call it bad. There are different levels of disappointment. Ziggy Hood at 32 was bad. Not Jamain Stephens bad but ten year journeyman is bad at 32. Lawrence Timmons with a 20th, a 2nd rounder, and a next year third is not good, it is below expected value, but I would not rank it as a bad pick. Semantics maybe but on a scale of 1-10 I'd called it a 5 or 6.
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                          • Bawb the Revelator
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Jan 2022
                            • 1975

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Buzz
                            I don't care if Flores restores Bush's swagger

                            I'd just like to see him bring him back to competency
                            You've pointed out my poor choice of title, Amigo, which I agree with and appreciate. Thanks so much

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                            • Northern_Blitz
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                              Our communication has gone to pot NB.
                              We need counseling.
                              I still love you Cap

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