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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 26636

    #16
    Originally posted by T.Ferguson
    How about Joe Gibbs? He won 3 SBs with 3 different QBs I believe, the only coach to have done this, seems like he's sort of been forgotten in recent times but he's gotta be one of the greatest HC's in modern NFL history.
    I agree on Gibbs. Unfortunately I didn't follow the NFC closely enough back in those days so probably underappreciated what he did.
    (Isnt he also pretty good at building a winning racing team ?)

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    • Northern_Blitz
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      • Dec 2008
      • 24373

      #17
      Originally posted by T.Ferguson
      Hawks should have 2 SBs but coaching prevented the second one in the end. What's amazing about Wilson's success in Seattle is the offense he's played in has been pretty mediocre the majority of the time he's been there, from coaching to talent. More recently they've added some WR talent but RB's have been busts/injured since Lynch was starter.
      Could we argue that coaching cost them the SB against us too?

      It didn't seem like there was a huge talent imbalance in that game IMO.

      That was a tight game where they weren't able to score. And if they (1) got fooled by a trick play and (2) did the "I'm smarter than everyone" offensive strategy of having their QB throw 49 times while giving Alexander 20 carries (avg was 4.8/carry with a 21 long).

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      • flippy
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 17088

        #18
        Originally posted by NorthCoast
        I hear ya flip. I was wrestling with some of those questions myself. Do you give credit to a HC that spanned SB more than say 5 yrs because these would essentially be different 'teams' with all the player movement.
        But then I thought maybe it's more impressive if a HC has had multiple appearances with different QBs. This makes Belichick's achievements maybe less impressive than say Shula. Having lightening strike twice seems highly coach related in this case.
        Im down with the idea of lots of player turnover in 5 years, but you still got a lot of inertia with guys you drafted, coaches, gm, system, ownership in place.

        Im thinking it’d be more impressive right now, go build Jax into a good team then in 5 years move on to the Jets and do the same.

        But then again you might have coaches to follow you and players too. So maybe everyone gets better with experience and it becomes less impressive over time.

        Then you start to wonder do you reinvent a new system and change everything mid career? That might be impressive.

        Sometimes, longevity and luck seem to win out most of the time. It’s hard to say who’s really created something from nothing.
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        • T.Ferguson
          Pro Bowler
          • Sep 2021
          • 2377

          #19
          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
          Could we argue that coaching cost them the SB against us too?

          It didn't seem like there was a huge talent imbalance in that game IMO.

          That was a tight game where they weren't able to score. And if they (1) got fooled by a trick play and (2) did the "I'm smarter than everyone" offensive strategy of having their QB throw 49 times while giving Alexander 20 carries (avg was 4.8/carry with a 21 long).
          Yeah, definitely could be argued for sure. I always thought of Alexander as a guy who didn't step it up in big games but he definitely did in that SB. Holmgren gonna Holmgren.

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          • WindyCitySteel
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            • Nov 2011
            • 15684

            #20
            Originally posted by T.Ferguson
            How about Joe Gibbs? He won 3 SBs with 3 different QBs I believe, the only coach to have done this, seems like he's sort of been forgotten in recent times but he's gotta be one of the greatest HC's in modern NFL history.
            No HOF'ers, either. Theismann, Schroeder/Williams, and Rypien.

            Detracting from Gibbs' legacy is that 2 of the 3 Super Bowls were in strike years. The '82 season was a joke.
            Last edited by WindyCitySteel; 02-22-2022, 08:38 AM.

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            • T.Ferguson
              Pro Bowler
              • Sep 2021
              • 2377

              #21
              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
              No HOF'ers, either. Theismann, Schroeder/Williams, and Rypien.

              Detracting from Gibbs' legacy is that 2 of the 3 Super Bowls were in strike years. The '82 season was a joke.
              True, although that Rypien team is probably one of the best teams ever. Bills fans thought their team had a chance in all their SB's except for the one against the Redskins, the score was closer than the actual game.

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              • Northern_Blitz
                Legend
                • Dec 2008
                • 24373

                #22
                Originally posted by T.Ferguson
                True, although that Rypien team is probably one of the best teams ever. Bills fans thought their team had a chance in all their SB's except for the one against the Redskins, the score was closer than the actual game.
                They were just practicing for the total loss of all hope from ~ 1995 - 2019.

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                • T.Ferguson
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Sep 2021
                  • 2377

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                  They were just practicing for the total loss of all hope from ~ 1995 - 2019.
                  Lol, it's still kinda crazy that team went to 4 straight SB's though. Even though the AFC was super weak at the time, still impressive, don't think that'll ever happen again.

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