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[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Pre-season, with lots of question marks, my prediction was........................no prediction
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[whisper]

Anything less than 14-3 will be a disappointment.

Then prepare to be disappointed. They are barely beating bad teams, you can count on more than 1 loss going forward.

[hawaiiansteel]

Pre-season, with lots of question marks, my prediction was........................no prediction
After shocking the Bills, I updated that to................................................ .....no prediction
After losing to the Bengals, and supposedly "giving up", I changed to.........no prediction
Now, after a 4 game win streak, I will shock the world with.........................no prediction

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never make predictions...

especially about the future.

[papillon]

Then prepare to be disappointed. They are barely beating bad teams, you can count on more than 1 loss going forward.

You don't know Flippy do you?

Pappy

[feltdizz]

The point is most team that start out around 6-3 don't then totally fall apart. Tomlin has had a very high rate of teams starting out with great records blow all 4 tires on the vehicle.

These 3 in particular i doubt any HOF coach has ever done ONCE this bad at the end with such a good record to start

2020: 11-0 to 12-5
2012: 6-3 to 8-8
2007: 9-3 to 10-6

after 11 straight wins you end 1-5
after 6-3 you end 2-6 = 8-9
after 9-3 you end 1-5 = 10-8

You almost can't do that bad with a good team if you TRY
???

I just reread this and realized your math is off on the last 2 seasons.

but lets look at the last HOF coach for the Steelers

1998 Cowher was 6-3 and he ended 1-6. 5 STRAIGHT LOSSES to end the season.
1999 Cowher was 5-3 and ended 1-7. 6 LOSSES IN A ROW

Now I'm sure this is because he didn't have Ben or because of some other excuse. The reality is some years we simply didn't have good teams or maybe it was injury or the way the schedule played out.

I'm not even sure this is a sign of bad coaching. It could simply mean Tomlin and Cowher got their teams to overachieve before it all fell apart. I also think when you have 15 years of coaching without a losing season you will have some years where you end up .500 or 9-7 and fans will think the season slipped away but in reality it was a 9-7 team the whole time, we just didn't want to accept it.

I did look at Sean Payton and he never had a late season collapse. They were just bad from the beginning to the end those 7-9 seasons... lol.

Pete Carroll
2017: started 6-3 and ended 3-4 with a 1-3 record in the last 4 games
2019: started 9-2 and finished 11-5.. but went 1-3 the last 4 games.

[LPMAN]

Where is my math off. we ended 12-5 that's including the playoff loss to Browns.

[feltdizz]

Where is my math off. we ended 12-5 that's including the playoff loss to Browns.

2020 math is fine

the 2007 and 2012 years aren’t adding up.

[NorthCoast]

I just reread this and realized your math is off on the last 2 seasons.

but lets look at the last HOF coach for the Steelers

1998 Cowher was 6-3 and he ended 1-6. 5 STRAIGHT LOSSES to end the season.
1999 Cowher was 5-3 and ended 1-7. 6 LOSSES IN A ROW

Now I'm sure this is because he didn't have Ben or because of some other excuse. The reality is some years we simply didn't have good teams or maybe it was injury or the way the schedule played out.

I'm not even sure this is a sign of bad coaching. It could simply mean Tomlin and Cowher got their teams to overachieve before it all fell apart. I also think when you have 15 years of coaching without a losing season you will have some years where you end up .500 or 9-7 and fans will think the season slipped away but in reality it was a 9-7 team the whole time, we just didn't want to accept it.

I did look at Sean Payton and he never had a late season collapse. They were just bad from the beginning to the end those 7-9 seasons... lol.

Pete Carroll
2017: started 6-3 and ended 3-4 with a 1-3 record in the last 4 games
2019: started 9-2 and finished 11-5.. but went 1-3 the last 4 games.

Pretty sound reasoning to me. People assume it's a 'good team' because they got into the postseason. How many seasons did they back into one? How many did they have key skill guys missing?
We've said time and again to get to the SB a whole lot of things have to go right. To lose a postseason game it can come down to a single play. After all how many regular season wins come down to one play!?!

[feltdizz]

Pretty sound reasoning to me. People assume it's a 'good team' because they got into the postseason. How many seasons did they back into one? How many did they have key skill guys missing?
We've said time and again to get to the SB a whole lot of things have to go right. To lose a postseason game it can come down to a single play. After all how many regular season wins come down to one play!?!

I could see if Tomlin had a short track record and a high number of late season “collapses” but the reality is most coaches have a few years where 6-3 turned into 9-7 or even worse.

I agree 2020 was a collapse for the ages.

Also have to wonder if resting players was a mistake given how our season was trending.

but its a bit hilarious to suggest a HOF coach would never go 1-3 or 2-5 to end a season.

I think its the frustration of having high expectations at 6-3 vs being 4-5 and knowing your teams chances are slim to
none. But does the team that is 4-5 and finishes 7-9 coached better than a team that is 6-3 and finishes 8-???

and is a team that finished 9-7 really a great/talented team because they were 6-3 at one point?

[Steel Maniac]

I could see if Tomlin had a short track record and a high number of late season “collapses” but the reality is most coaches have a few years where 6-3 turned into 9-7 or even worse.

I agree 2020 was a collapse for the ages.

Also have to wonder if resting players was a mistake given how our season was trending.

but its a bit hilarious to suggest a HOF coach would never go 1-3 or 2-5 to end a season.

I think its the frustration of having high expectations at 6-3 vs being 4-5 and knowing your teams chances are slim to
none. But does the team that is 4-5 and finishes 7-9 coached better than a team that is 6-3 and finishes 8-???

and is a team that finished 9-7 really a great/talented team because they were 6-3 at one point?

I hope Tomlin has many more years (at least 4 more) to give a definitive answer on his post-season prowess.

[feltdizz]

I hope Tomlin has many more years (at least 4 more) to give a definitive answer on his post-season prowess.

so you aren’t a fan of the team and hope we never win a playoff game.

weird but expected.

what was your record prediction for this year?

[hawaiiansteel]

I hope Tomlin has many more years (at least 4 more) to give a definitive answer on his post-season prowess.

thanks for admitting that you will be cheering against the Steelers to ever win another playoff game under Tomlin.

being happy about that says all anyone needs to know about you, just so you can shamlessly gloat about being "right".

very sad and pathetic...

[whisper]

Looking at the remainder of the season:

Det - Should be a gimmee, will it be? Tomlin/Ben have the habit of under-estimating bad teams. They talk the talk about not doing so, but they inevitably do so. And for those who claim "it just seems like it," no, it doesn't JUST seem like it. The stats show it is undeniably true: Tomlin teams lose to the worst teams they face with some regularity, compared to other teams. But I will give them a "W" here, knowing I could be wrong.

@LAC. "L." They have fallen off recently, but I think their offense will put up too many points to stay with. (6-4)

@Cinci. Also have fallen off lately, I feel they will rebound by this game. L. (6-5)

Ravens. Too much to stay with. (6-6)

@MN - Steelers seam to struggle with NFC teams on the road. L. (6-7)

TN - Seems like a loss, but Pgh is good for a few wins here and there at home. (7-7)

@KC. Loss. They will be getting their crap together by then. (7-

Browns - L. I don't think we beat the OBJ-less Browns. Their rush attack will return. (7-9)

Balt - It depends on who is playing by then. I'll give us a W. (8-9)

[NorthCoast]

Looking at the remainder of the season:

Det - Should be a gimmee, will it be? Tomlin/Ben have the habit of under-estimating bad teams. They talk the talk about not doing so, but they inevitably do so. And for those who claim "it just seems like it," no, it doesn't JUST seem like it. The stats show it is undeniably true: Tomlin teams lose to the worst teams they face with some regularity, compared to other teams. But I will give them a "W" here, knowing I could be wrong My opinion is a winless team is NEVER a gimmee. They do crazy things that aren't on the tape just to grab a win. Steelers saw the wildcat twice in the last game even though CHI hadn't run it yet this season. Add to that the fact that the Steelers offense is not some juggernaut. They've been doing just enough to put a win on the board. This will be yet another close game against a team that has had two weeks to study their opponent.

@LAC. "L." They have fallen off recently, but I think their offense will put up too many points to stay with. (6-4)

@Cinci. Also have fallen off lately, I feel they will rebound by this game. L. (6-5)

Ravens. Too much to stay with. (6-6)

@MN - Steelers seam to struggle with NFC teams on the road. L. (6-7)

TN - Seems like a loss, but Pgh is good for a few wins here and there at home. (7-7)

@KC. Loss. They will be getting their crap together by then. (7-

Browns - L. I don't think we beat the OBJ-less Browns. Their rush attack will return. (7-9)

Balt - It depends on who is playing by then. I'll give us a W. (8-9)

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[feltdizz]

Looking at the remainder of the season:

Det - Should be a gimmee, will it be? Tomlin/Ben have the habit of under-estimating bad teams. They talk the talk about not doing so, but they inevitably do so. And for those who claim "it just seems like it," no, it doesn't JUST seem like it. The stats show it is undeniably true: Tomlin teams lose to the worst teams they face with some regularity, compared to other teams. But I will give them a "W" here, knowing I could be wrong.

@LAC. "L." They have fallen off recently, but I think their offense will put up too many points to stay with. (6-4)

@Cinci. Also have fallen off lately, I feel they will rebound by this game. L. (6-5)

Ravens. Too much to stay with. (6-6)

@MN - Steelers seam to struggle with NFC teams on the road. L. (6-7)

TN - Seems like a loss, but Pgh is good for a few wins here and there at home. (7-7)

@KC. Loss. They will be getting their crap together by then. (7-

Browns - L. I don't think we beat the OBJ-less Browns. Their rush attack will return. (7-9)

Balt - It depends on who is playing by then. I'll give us a W. (8-9)

I think we split with the Ravens
Lose against Tenn or KC
Lose against either Min or LAC

11-6.