OT: Aaron Rodgers lied and broke protocol

[feltdizz]

Did people say that?

I think most thought the covid thing was just the excuse Washington used to get him off the team. Maybe that's only because it's what I thought.

Nah.. I definitely thought it was the excuse used but we had a long thread where multiple posters used breaking protocol as enough of a reason to get rid of him.. because Ron Rivera had cancer treatment at the time.

I didn’t defend what he did but even back then there were multiple starting QB’s who broke protocol.

[feltdizz]

“I would add this to the mix, as an aside. But the great MLK said that you have a moral obligation to object to unjust rules and rules that make no sense.”

- Aaron Rodgers

nah man.. leave MLK out of this.

[hawaiiansteel]

“I would add this to the mix, as an aside. But the great MLK said that you have a moral obligation to object to unjust rules and rules that make no sense.”

- Aaron Rodgers

nah man.. leave MLK out of this.

I'm pretty sure MLK never said you should deceive, mislead and lie when you object to rules you consider unjust.

[SteelBucks]

I'm pretty sure MLK never said you should deceive, mislead and lie when you object to rules you consider unjust.

I listened to his interview today on the Pat McAfee show to hear his side of the story. He came off sounding like a jerk.
It’s hard to summarize a 45 minute rant but basically Rodgers accused everyone (doctors, medical professionals and the NFL) of being wrong except for himself.

He doesn’t wear a mask during post game interviews because “it’s not based on science”. This coming from a man who consults Joe Rogan on how to treat himself for COVID. It’s laughable.

I lost a lot of respect for Rodgers today.

[Buzz]

I listened to his interview today on the Pat McAfee show to hear his side of the story. He came off sounding like a jerk.
It’s hard to summarize a 45 minute rant but basically Rodgers accused everyone (doctors, medical professionals and the NFL) of being wrong except for himself.

He doesn’t wear a mask during post game interviews because “it’s not based on science”. This coming from a man who consults Joe Rogan on how to treat himself for COVID. It’s laughable.

I lost a lot of respect for Rodgers today.

Y'all still want the Steelers to try to acquire this dude?

[Northern_Blitz]

I listened to his interview today on the Pat McAfee show to hear his side of the story. He came off sounding like a jerk.
It’s hard to summarize a 45 minute rant but basically Rodgers accused everyone (doctors, medical professionals and the NFL) of being wrong except for himself.

He doesn’t wear a mask during post game interviews because “it’s not based on science”. This coming from a man who consults Joe Rogan on how to treat himself for COVID. It’s laughable.

I lost a lot of respect for Rodgers today.

I think he is a jerk. And I thought that before this came out because of what I've read about his relationship with his family.

But I think the issue here is about the dishonesty and not about the mask wearing at press conferences.

I think that not wearing a mask in a press conference where he's probably pretty far away from the reporters doesn't matter too much in a physical sense. But lying about it was clearly wrong.

Not wearing masks at press conferences has been happening throughout the pandemic, even pre-vaccines.

Remember all the videos of the politicians putting the mask on when they thought cameras started rolling, wearing the mask to walk to a podium, then taking the mask off?

Masks do help, but I don't think they help as much as originally advertised. In real world settings, wearing surgical mask reduces cases by ~11% and cloth masks by ~ 5% (see link below on article about a real-world effectiveness of masks).

This is certainly not nothing. And worth doing IMO because the cost (monetary and otherwise) is so small. But it's also small enough that it's not worth shouting someone down over. We were originally advised to call campus police for on people not wearing masks, which was a super-obvious over reaction in my opinion.

I think we still have signs up at work that say masks reduce transmission by upwards of 90%. I think that evidence that shows this is more from lab tests assuming perfect behavior which is not possible for humans.

Here's an article about a large scale trial on surgical vs. cloth masks in real world conditions where this data comes from.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210907/masks-limit-covid-spread-study

I think the previous overestimation is probably because of things like it being very hard for people to go long periods of time wearing a mask without touching it. And touching it dramatically reduces effectiveness. And for most people I've seen in classes, the reason they touch it is because it's falling down. And uncovering the nose also dramatically reduces effectiveness. It's not a simple thing to wear a mask for long periods of time. Maybe that's why the real world and predicted effectiveness is so different?

And I think this is information that people who study these things mostly knew - or at least would have predicted - before (i.e. masks help, but probably not a ton). I think mask effectiveness was intentionally overestimated (or at least people didn't push back too hard on numbers that never made much sense given all the previous literature) as a way to increase confidence and try to get the economy back on track. Unfortunately, I think that using science as a political and economic tool is eroding faith in science (just like like all other institutions politics is corrupting).

That's my $0.02 anyway.

[Oviedo]

I think he is a jerk. And I thought that before this came out because of what I've read about his relationship with his family.

But I think the issue here is about the dishonesty and not about the mask wearing at press conferences.

I think that not wearing a mask in a press conference where he's probably pretty far away from the reporters doesn't matter too much in a physical sense. But lying about it was clearly wrong.

Not wearing masks at press conferences has been happening throughout the pandemic, even pre-vaccines.

Remember all the videos of the politicians putting the mask on when they thought cameras started rolling, wearing the mask to walk to a podium, then taking the mask off?

Masks do help, but I don't think they help as much as originally advertised. In real world settings, wearing surgical mask reduces cases by ~11% and cloth masks by ~ 5% (see link below on article about a real-world effectiveness of masks).

This is certainly not nothing. And worth doing IMO because the cost (monetary and otherwise) is so small. But it's also small enough that it's not worth shouting someone down over. We were originally advised to call campus police for on people not wearing masks, which was a super-obvious over reaction in my opinion.

I think we still have signs up at work that say masks reduce transmission by upwards of 90%. I think that evidence that shows this is more from lab tests assuming perfect behavior which is not possible for humans.

Here's an article about a large scale trial on surgical vs. cloth masks in real world conditions where this data comes from.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210907/masks-limit-covid-spread-study

I think the previous overestimation is probably because of things like it being very hard for people to go long periods of time wearing a mask without touching it. And touching it dramatically reduces effectiveness. And for most people I've seen in classes, the reason they touch it is because it's falling down. And uncovering the nose also dramatically reduces effectiveness. It's not a simple thing to wear a mask for long periods of time. Maybe that's why the real world and predicted effectiveness is so different?

And I think this is information that people who study these things mostly knew - or at least would have predicted - before (i.e. masks help, but probably not a ton). I think mask effectiveness was intentionally overestimated (or at least people didn't push back too hard on numbers that never made much sense given all the previous literature) as a way to increase confidence and try to get the economy back on track. Unfortunately, I think that using science as a political and economic tool is eroding faith in science (just like like all other institutions politics is corrupting).

That's my $0.02 anyway.

Masks are essentially a placebo that make people think they are protecting themselves when they are actually doing very little as described. It is a psychological attempt to make people feel like they can control this whole pandemic thing. We haven't had to wear masks for a very long time in Florida. Although you do see the stupid people in their cars by themselves with masks on or walking alone down the street all masked up. Fear is a powerful weapon.

When even a guy like Bill Maher even admits "the pandemic is over" its time to move on.

[feltdizz]

Masks are essentially a placebo that make people think they are protecting themselves when they are actually doing very little as described. It is a psychological attempt to make people feel like they can control this whole pandemic thing. We haven't had to wear masks for a very long time in Florida. Although you do see the stupid people in their cars by themselves with masks on or walking alone down the street all masked up. Fear is a powerful weapon.

When even a guy like Bill Maher even admits "the pandemic is over" its time to move on.

Bill Maher? lmao.. that dude is an entertainer. Who cares what he says.

For me a mask doesn’t hurt anyone so I think its a bit foolish for people to say “but it only protects you by this number instead of that number” like its not worth doing.

I don’t always wear a mask but i dont care if someone is in their car by themselves and wears a mask. That doesn’t impact me at all and maybe they find comfort in it.. no reason to call them stupid for it.

For me its simply the lying by Rodgers and the “I did my research and hosted Jeopardy… I’m an expert”

Dude throws a football for a living.

[SteelBucks]

Maybe I’m wrong but doesn’t the NFL require masks during postgame interviews if your not vaxxed? Ignoring how much protection it provides, it’s still a protocol and Rodgers decided to openly not follow it.

Also where’s the NFL in all of this? The league knows the vaccination status of every player. You’d think would do something much earlier if the MVP of the league is side stepping COVID protocols.

[NorthCoast]

Maybe I’m wrong but doesn’t the NFL require masks during postgame interviews if your not vaxxed? Ignoring how much protection it provides, it’s still a protocol and Rodgers decided to openly not follow it.

Also where’s the NFL in all of this? The league knows the vaccination status of every player. You’d think would do something much earlier if the MVP of the league is side stepping COVID protocols.

Forget the NFL. The NFLPA agreed to the protocol at the beginning of the season. They've been mum on all this.

[Northern_Blitz]

Forget the NFL. The NFLPA agreed to the protocol at the beginning of the season. They've been mum on all this.

Going to strap my tinfoil hat on.

But I assume that the league knew about this.

I doubt they just accepted players words on Vax status. And there aren't stories about AR forging his documents.

I think this fits with the rumor that he followed unvaxxed protocol in house.

And since the NFL constantly shows they care way more about public perception than anything but profit, I wouldn't be surprised if they turned a blind eye on the press conferences because they didn't want to have the reigning MVP as the poster boy for not getting the jab.

Not saying this is what happened. Would I would not be surprised if this was the case.

[SteelBucks]

Rodgers also said he didn’t get vaxed because he wants to have kids someday. I love when people do their own research and reach bizarre conclusions.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Aside from how we all feel about vaccines, masking, Rodgers, mandates etc.

Rodgers is an employee of the Green Bay Packers. If he disclosed his status, and signed off on it, then he was not wrong. If they did not know then he should be suspended by either the team or the league, and for at least 6 games.

[NorthCoast]

Aside from how we all feel about vaccines, masking, Rodgers, mandates etc.

Rodgers is an employee of the Green Bay Packers. If he disclosed his status, and signed off on it, then he was not wrong. If they did not know then he should be suspended by either the team or the league, and for at least 6 games.

It's going to come down to the details of the protocol. If the NFL/NFLPA were loose in their language giving him enough wiggle room then he probably will escape serious punishment. At the very least he was deceitful in his intent which should merit a fine. And the team should be massively fined for loose enforcement.

[LPMAN]

Arrogant Rodgers