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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 26636

    Strangeness in the NFL

    While every Steeler fan is lamenting the state of the offense this season look what's going on with the SB frontrunners. KC and TB (and throw in SEA) have terrible defenses so far. KC is 30th, TB 26th, and SEA 32nd in yds allowed. And WFT has done a 180 from last season now with the 31st ranked defense. I've watched KC and parts of TB and WFT games and it's not a lie. TB secondary is getting lit up and KC's DL is a sieve. Amazing how things can turn so quickly.
  • flippy
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    #2
    Just 1 guy can make all the difference in a unit.

    We’re a different D without Watt or without Haden.

    I was worried we’d lose all our splash plays without Hilton. Take away Hilton, Buf, and Vince and you lose a lot of heart on the D. I think we coulda had some trouble, but we also went out and got some guys to fill the gaps.

    it’s a fine line between good and bad in the NFL.
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    • NorthCoast
      Legend
      • Sep 2008
      • 26636

      #3
      Originally posted by flippy
      Just 1 guy can make all the difference in a unit.

      We’re a different D without Watt or without Haden.

      I was worried we’d lose all our splash plays without Hilton. Take away Hilton, Buf, and Vince and you lose a lot of heart on the D. I think we coulda had some trouble, but we also went out and got some guys to fill the gaps.

      it’s a fine line between good and bad in the NFL.
      I agree with the 'one guy' theory. That's why I'm hopeful the offense can turn around quickly with another draft focused on that side of the ball.

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      • hawaiiansteel
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 35649

        #4
        Originally posted by NorthCoast
        I agree with the 'one guy' theory. That's why I'm hopeful the offense can turn around quickly with another draft focused on that side of the ball.
        we need to draft OL early and often next year.

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        • papillon
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 11340

          #5
          I'm not saying not to draft offensive linemen but wouldn't that be an admission that they missed with Moore and Green? I wouldn't be surprised to see a CB taken in the first round to replace Haden or a FS if they don't think that signing Minkah is possible. The Steelers are a stubborn group and don't give up on their draft picks until they are certain it isn't in the cards for the player, see Jarvis Jones, Ziggy Hood, Limas Sweed, Rashard Mendenhall, etc.

          Pappy
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          The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

          1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
          3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
          3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
          4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
          5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
          7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

          "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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          • hawaiiansteel
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 35649

            #6
            Originally posted by papillon
            I'm not saying not to draft offensive linemen but wouldn't that be an admission that they missed with Moore and Green?
            I don't think so.

            there are still 3 other spots on the OL.

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            • Steel Maniac
              Banned
              • Apr 2017
              • 19472

              #7
              Originally posted by papillon
              I'm not saying not to draft offensive linemen but wouldn't that be an admission that they missed with Moore and Green? I wouldn't be surprised to see a CB taken in the first round to replace Haden or a FS if they don't think that signing Minkah is possible. The Steelers are a stubborn group and don't give up on their draft picks until they are certain it isn't in the cards for the player, see Jarvis Jones, Ziggy Hood, Limas Sweed, Rashard Mendenhall, etc.

              Pappy
              You’ve got a point.

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              • hawaiiansteel
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 35649

                #8
                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                I agree with the 'one guy' theory. That's why I'm hopeful the offense can turn around quickly with another draft focused on that side of the ball.
                would you draft a WR early?

                we will probably lose JuJu and James Washington.

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                • papillon
                  Legend
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 11340

                  #9
                  Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                  would you draft a WR early?

                  we will probably lose JuJu and James Washington.
                  I think I'd wait only because the Steelers seem to be able to scout WRs really well and find mid to late round guys that can play. I'd use the Steelers main draft capital somewhere else but that's just me.

                  Pappy
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                  The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                  1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                  3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                  3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                  4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                  5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                  7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

                  "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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                  • feltdizz
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 27531

                    #10
                    While it has been ugly these past 2 games I’m trying to remain realistic when watching other teams.

                    Ravens needed a 66 yard FG to win and teams like KC and Seattle are also struggling to win.

                    If we can get healthy on D and we can get to 3-3 or 3-4 we might have a chance to turn things around.

                    Right now though, it looks like we could lose the next 3 games easily if we don’t play with a sense of urgency on offense.

                    I’m seeing a lot of guys on offense just standing around watching Najee get lit up instead of finishing off plays with a block. Claypool had a chance to block
                    someone and just stood there on one play.
                    Steelers 27
                    Rats 16

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                    • feltdizz
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 27531

                      #11
                      Originally posted by papillon
                      I think I'd wait only because the Steelers seem to be able to scout WRs really well and find mid to late round guys that can play. I'd use the Steelers main draft capital somewhere else but that's just me.

                      Pappy
                      Joe Burrow to Chase for 2 TD’s last game.

                      While I don’t think we will draft WR in the first round I think its laughable when people suggest we have or had more talent than the rest of the NFL.

                      Part of the issues we are seeing this year is our late round WR’s are playing like late round WR’s.
                      Steelers 27
                      Rats 16

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                      • NorthCoast
                        Legend
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 26636

                        #12
                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        While it has been ugly these past 2 games I’m trying to remain realistic when watching other teams.

                        Ravens needed a 66 yard FG to win and teams like KC and Seattle are also struggling to win.

                        If we can get healthy on D and we can get to 3-3 or 3-4 we might have a chance to turn things around.

                        Right now though, it looks like we could lose the next 3 games easily if we don’t play with a sense of urgency on offense.

                        I’m seeing a lot of guys on offense just standing around watching Najee get lit up instead of finishing off plays with a block. Claypool had a chance to block
                        someone and just stood there on one play.
                        This is true. BAL is a swatted fumble and 6" away from being 0-3. These kinds of plays have a way of evening out over the season.

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                        • feltdizz
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 27531

                          #13
                          Originally posted by NorthCoast
                          This is true. BAL is a swatted fumble and 6" away from being 0-3. These kinds of plays have a way of evening out over the season.
                          We looked bad these last 2 weeks but if we can get healthy I think we will resemble the team that beat Buffalo.
                          Steelers 27
                          Rats 16

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                          • Starlifter
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 5078

                            #14
                            All comes down to O-line for me. Ben doesn’t have the juice to carry the team. We need to protect him, run the ball effectively and then count on him for 4-5 plays instead of all of them. Plus a healthy defense. If the steelers can pull that off they could/should be competitive.
                            2014 MNF EXEC CHAMPION!!!

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                            • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 10281

                              #15
                              Originally posted by papillon
                              I'm not saying not to draft offensive linemen but wouldn't that be an admission that they missed with Moore and Green? I wouldn't be surprised to see a CB taken in the first round to replace Haden or a FS if they don't think that signing Minkah is possible. The Steelers are a stubborn group and don't give up on their draft picks until they are certain it isn't in the cards for the player, see Jarvis Jones, Ziggy Hood, Limas Sweed, Rashard Mendenhall, etc.

                              Pappy
                              I think that drafting linemen is more of an admission that they have left the cupboard bare for far too long and can't continue to ignore it. The same way that drafting Washington in '18 was not an admission that they missed on JuJu in '17. Drafting DJ in '19 was not an admission that they missed on Washington in '18, and drafting Claypool in '20 was not an admission that they missed on DJ in '19. Instead, we talk about WR depth with JuJu, Washington, DJ, and Claypool.

                              Guys like Moore and Green are only starting as rooks because the Steelers do not have the luxury of easing OL into action. In between ignoring the position, and injuries to Decastro and Banner, we now have to watch this baptism by fire in order to find out if we actually have NFL caliber draft picks on the line.
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