Can we just stop already with the ben debate!

[Steel Maniac]

Tomlins fault….
Obviously Tomlin felt our oline was great because he didn’t confront Colbert on improving it.

Well, I can't say it's Tomlin's fault. Let me tell you why:

Tomlin has been a yes man since he's been the coach. He's not a coach who can hire or fire assistant coaches. Colbert and Rooney do that. Tomlin hasn't ever been a REAL head coach per say like Parcells, Walsh, Gibbs, Lombardi or Noll. Colbert /Rooney make those calls and Tomlin nods his head.

So the hire of Canada and the approach and failure of how to rebuild the O-line lays at Colbert & Rooney's feet.

[hawaiiansteel]

It's a vicious cycle.. we are limited because of Ben's inability to stretch the field vertically.. especially between the seams. In the NFL.. if you have a QB that cant make all of the throws.. it's just a matter of time before that gets exposed/abused. Couple that with the fact that our O-line does not get push up front... and well.. here we are.

$$$$ post...

[T.Ferguson]

And the question in the AFC for the vast majority of Tomlin and Ben's career isn't "who's the favorite in the AFC?" it's "who's got the best chance to upset the Pats". Because the Pats with brady were the favorite basically every year.

Steelers were routinely one of the favorites though outside the Pats. But the Steelers usually lost to an inferior team before ever facing the Pats. The one year the Steelers did play the Pats in the playoffs (AFC Championship) the game was over before it even started due to coaching, game wasn't even close.

[Steel Maniac]

Steelers were routinely one of the favorites though outside the Pats. But the Steelers usually lost to an inferior team before ever facing the Pats. The one year the Steelers did play the Pats in the playoffs (AFC Championship) the game was over before it even started due to coaching, game wasn't even close.

Tomlin can't even outcoach Stafanski of the Browns. and the Browns had a make shift offensive line with Stafanski at home because of sickness. Stafanski beat Tomlin while sitting on his coach at home.

[hawaiiansteel]

Tomlins fault….
Obviously Tomlin felt our oline was great because he didn’t confront Colbert on improving it.

man, you're really reaching on this one.

but I suppose when you have to fit it into your agenda you'll say anything, no matter how ridiculous.

[NorthCoast]

It's a vicious cycle.. we are limited because of Ben's inability to stretch the field vertically.. especially between the seams. In the NFL.. if you have a QB that cant make all of the throws.. it's just a matter of time before that gets exposed/abused. Couple that with the fact that our O-line does not get push up front... and well.. here we are.

In some ways Roethlisberger is the anti-LJ. LJ can't make completions outside the hashes. And Roethlisberger can't make completions between them.
Can we maybe put the two of 'em into one of those "The Fly" transporters and have them come out morphed together?

[Captain Lemming]

You mean those same talking heads that say Tomlin is a great HC?

Sometimes? Yes.
For the record, try searching "my" opinion of Tomlin, and the word "great".
See what you find.

[T.Ferguson]

Tomlin can't even outcoach Stafanski of the Browns. and the Browns had a make shift offensive line with Stafanski at home because of sickness. Stafanski beat Tomlin while sitting on his coach at home.

Honestly, Tomlin should've been let go after last year instead he gets an extension smh. How do you watch that game and think "yeah this coach needs an extension". Everyone talks about Ben's INT's but the entire team was awful, the defense played like it wanted to get the coach fired.

[Northern_Blitz]

Tomlin can't even outcoach Stafanski of the Browns. and the Browns had a make shift offensive line with Stafanski at home because of sickness. Stafanski beat Tomlin while sitting on his coach at home.

I think difference in coaching wasn't the determining factor in that game.

But whatever fits your narrative I guess.

[Captain Lemming]

Exactly.
And our talent was better than the pats, our coaching wasn’t.

Our talent was better than the Pats if you:

1. Overvalue backs and recevers (by that standard the Pats should have a losing record).
2. If you undervalue secondary. Our was trash theirs elite
3. If you underestimate the size of the huge gulf between Ben and "GOAT" Brady.

If you actually understood the relative value of different positions, you would see those Brown/Bell teams NEVER built with the RIGHT TALENT.

Championship Pat teams were MUCH better at positions that win championships today.

I am not saying this after the fact as an excuse...I've been saying it FOR YEARS. time and time again I called for us to invest money put into elite "skill"players into the seconday.

And yes Pats coaching WAS better...THAN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE.

[Northern_Blitz]

Our talent was better than the Pats if you:

1. Overvalue backs and recevers (by that standard the Pats should have a losing record).
2. If you undervalue secondary. Our was trash theirs elite
3. If you underestimate the size of the huge gulf between Ben and "GOAT" Brady.

If you actually understood the relative value of different positions, you would see those Brown/Bell teams NEVER built with the RIGHT TALENT.

Championship Pat teams were MUCH better at positions that win championships today.

I am not saying this after the fact as an excuse...I've been saying it FOR YEARS. time and time again I called for us to invest money put into elite "skill"players into the seconday.

This is what I meant by we had the better players for Fantasy Football.

[Steel Maniac]

I think difference in coaching wasn't the determining factor in that game.

But whatever fits your narrative I guess.

Not a narrative.

Fact..they had a makeshift O-line coming into the game.
Fact..we rested guys FOR THAT GAME the previous week.
Fact...their coach was at home.

And with all that, our team came out unprepared to play in all faucets of that game.

There is only one person who is responsible for that. And that is the head coach. Tomlin. You can spin it, sugar coat it any way you want to but the truth is we were unprepared to play and that is the head coach's responsibility. Fact.

[whatever]

Sometimes? Yes.
For the record, try searching "my" opinion of Tomlin, and the word "great".
See what you find.

My point is you can’t use talking heads to support your arguments when you agree with them and then discredit them when you don’t.

Btw, I’m not necessarily talking just to you when I make a post.
I’m referring to anyone that made those comments. Seeing that they will be reading this also.

[NJ-STEELER]

Yep. Not addressing the O-line earlier and letting an entire O-line get old and depressed falls squarely at Colbert’s feet.

And staying with Ben one year too long lays at the feet of Rooney Jr.

Wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t go after Garoppolo in the off-season. Since all we do is look through other teams garbage for QB’s.

tomlin is involved heavily in the drafts. he doesn't escape this blame especially with the begging he does to keep drafting for his baby (defense)

[Northern_Blitz]

Re: OP

I think the Ben debate will end before the Tomlin one does. Mostly because Ben will likely retire before Tomlin does. Although maybe they both happen at the same time.

In both cases, I think we will miss them when they're gone.