Ben is not the main problem!

[Northern_Blitz]

after 3 quarters the team scored 3 FGs. he also threw a pick on our side of the turf that ended with a brown's TD. look up the JAx playoff game posts on here to see how bad that really is.

against a team that seemingly played vanilla offense all game judging by how the D was mesmerized watching that brown's offense plow right thru us the following week

I'm sure hoping he can be the guy but from whati've seen, I wouldn't bet on it.
there's guys workig for UPS right now that have played in preseason games and looked better then what mason has showed us

I also think that Mason isn't the long term answer (hoping to be wrong).

Haskins is probably also not the answer (hoping to be wrong).

But at some point this year, we'll probably start to think more about the future than the present (if the current play holds anyway).

If that comes, changing the QB is a good place to start I think.

And if putting one (or both) of those other guys in means we get worse...that won't be the worst thing if we're already out of it IMO.

[Northern_Blitz]

lolley maintains the arm is fine.

in practice he's making all the throws. says he's not trusting his OL, nor should he

I've only watched the first half of this or so...but it suggests that there are serious issues with (i) pocket collapsing and (ii) guys not being open (due to bad route concepts and / or poor route running).

[NJ-STEELER]

I've only watched the first half of this or so...but it suggests that there are serious issues with (i) pocket collapsing and (ii) guys not being open (due to bad route concepts and / or poor route running).

yes, i know people try to label those that offer other solutions to this wreck of an offense as BBBW. but that is what's happening. the OL looks terrible
its why i question why didn't look harder at a vet OL to bring into this mostly young inexperienced unit.

as for the receivers, i think their routes are pretty basic. when i watch other teams play (like the rams) i usually see a receiver open by 10/20 yards due to a scheme confusing the defense. I rarely see that vs. us and that's why I get on the coaching. both the position coaches and the one who is responsible for them... the head coach.
there's too much tape out there for defenses to dissect, you need innovation. i think its a reason we why we see defenses creeping up all the time...they know what plays are coming

[Steel Maniac]

I disagree.

I don't think that you can evaluate anything without at least an average line. Can Ben make better reads if he has time? I don't know. Can he throw a dart down the middle if he has time? I don't know. Right now he is simply playing self preservation QB, and the difference between this year and last is that he is getting hit this year anyway.

With a decent line up front, the QB has more time. The RB has room to run, play action can be set up. Receivers have a chance to get downfield and gain separation. All the questions we have about this offense - Can Ben still play? Can Ben make good decisions? Is Najee a bust? Can the receivers gain separation? Can anybody catch? Can Canada do anything creative? Are Ben and the receivers on the same page? - All of those questions can only be answered once the line can at least do a decent job.

Every pass was not a rushed pass. Even when there was no pressure, he made either bad decisions or throws he simply can’t make anymore. THEN you can mix in the passes that are rushed or the protection isn’t there.

No getting around it… Ben is done.

[hawaiiansteel]

I also think that Mason isn't the long term answer (hoping to be wrong).

Haskins is probably also not the answer (hoping to be wrong).

unfortunately, I agree with you.

(hoping that we're both wrong).

[NorthCoast]

yes, i know people try to label those that offer other solutions to this wreck of an offense as BBBW. but that is what's happening. the OL looks terrible
its why i question why didn't look harder at a vet OL to bring into this mostly young inexperienced unit.

as for the receivers, i think their routes are pretty basic. when i watch other teams play (like the rams) i usually see a receiver open by 10/20 yards due to a scheme confusing the defense. I rarely see that vs. us and that's why I get on the coaching. both the position coaches and the one who is responsible for them... the head coach.
there's too much tape out there for defenses to dissect, you need innovation. i think its a reason we why we see defenses creeping up all the time...they know what plays are coming

Turner is a vet OL. But he's been just as bad.
But as was said before, the Steelers are trying to straddle between a complete rebuild for the next QB vs tweeking for one last season with an aging QB. It's going about as expected and it's why I favored letting Roethlisberger go way back in January and getting ready for the next generation. It's doing nothing but making it a very unmemorable year for the QB. Reminds me of Favre's last season.

[NJ-STEELER]

Turner is a vet OL. But he's been just as bad.
But as was said before, the Steelers are trying to straddle between a complete rebuild for the next QB vs tweeking for one last season with an aging QB. It's going about as expected and it's why I favored letting Roethlisberger go way back in January and getting ready for the next generation. It's doing nothing but making it a very unmemorable year for the QB. Reminds me of Favre's last season.

turner was brought in after decastro called it quits.

I was referring to before that. To have 2 veterans showing the young guys.
I don’t want our next qb anywhere near this OL. They might get shell shocked

[NorthCoast]

turner was brought in after decastro called it quits.

I was referring to before that. To have 2 veterans showing the young guys.
I don’t want our next qb anywhere near this OL. They might get shell shocked

I agree (ref. JAX and Lawrence). I also wonder if they are reluctant to put Rudolph in for the same reason. He was given a fairly lousy hand in 2019 with a bunch of WRs out and no running game. Now they got the WRs and RB but no OL. Still, it would be interesting to know what he could do compared to Roethlisberger (and it might settle the debate on QB vs OL).

[Mr.wizard]

yes, i know people try to label those that offer other solutions to this wreck of an offense as BBBW. but that is what's happening. the OL looks terrible
its why i question why didn't look harder at a vet OL to bring into this mostly young inexperienced unit.

as for the receivers, i think their routes are pretty basic. when i watch other teams play (like the rams) i usually see a receiver open by 10/20 yards due to a scheme confusing the defense. I rarely see that vs. us and that's why I get on the coaching. both the position coaches and the one who is responsible for them... the head coach.
there's too much tape out there for defenses to dissect, you need innovation. i think its a reason we why we see defenses creeping up all the time...they know what plays are coming

Our receivers routes have always been basic and thats because Ben has never been great at reading defenses, so I think we have always kept it simple. Ben just used to be able to move around the pocket and improvise but now he cant anymore so the mental part of his game is getting exposed.

[feltdizz]

Our receivers routes have always been basic and thats because Ben has never been great at reading defenses, so I think we have always kept it simple. Ben just used to be able to move around the pocket and improvise but now he cant anymore so the mental part of his game is getting exposed.

Running 18 year routes.. lol.

Ben’s game was always best when he was extending plays or heaving it deep to Wallace or AB.

I think this is the main reason the RZ passing game has always struggled
to produce.

[NJ-STEELER]

Our receivers routes have always been basic and thats because Ben has never been great at reading defenses, so I think we have always kept it simple. Ben just used to be able to move around the pocket and improvise but now he cant anymore so the mental part of his game is getting exposed.

not really

under arians is when we started using the bunch formations, and we were one of the first teams to do it,

when wallace was here, we used to see a deep post pattern where he would wind up catching it on the other side of the field. I think the last time I've seen that route run or at least completed was when he was on the team

[Mr.wizard]

not really

under arians is when we started using the bunch formations, and we were one of the first teams to do it,

when wallace was here, we used to see a deep post pattern where he would wind up catching it on the other side of the field. I think the last time I've seen that route run or at least completed was when he was on the team

Well thats formation im talking about the routes, you dont see alot of choice routes or timing routes. This is why you dont see Ben throwing over the middle, he cant read the defense. Its all fades down the sideline and short screens. Now when you can buy time in the pocket you can see what the defenders are doing and the holes forming in the defense so it hides the fact that your not really reading the defense. The 4th and 10 play is a perfect example, the Bengals completely baited Ben into that throw, the commentator called the defense before the play but Ben never saw it.

[NorthCoast]

Our receivers routes have always been basic and thats because Ben has never been great at reading defenses, so I think we have always kept it simple. Ben just used to be able to move around the pocket and improvise but now he cant anymore so the mental part of his game is getting exposed.

The worst read on a defense was on 4th and 10 last Sunday. While the coaches seem to be backing him we are all stunned by his lack of improvisation which he was known for in crunch time.

[Northern_Blitz]

The worst read on a defense was on 4th and 10 last Sunday. While the coaches seem to be backing him we are all stunned by his lack of improvisation which he was known for in crunch time.

And forcing a throw at least has some chance of success.

There is now way Harris trucks 5 of 6 guys on his way to score (or to get to the 1/2 yard line).

It reminded me of how it seemed like the prime directive they gave Mason was "don't turn it over".

On that play you have to try to score because the game is over if you don't.

[Buzz]

And forcing a throw at least has some chance of success.

There is now way Harris trucks 5 of 6 guys on his way to score (or to get to the 1/2 yard line).

It reminded me of how it seemed like the prime directive they gave Mason was "don't turn it over".

On that play you have to try to score because the game is over if you don't.

Can't hit the target if you're "out of bullets," LOL