Ben is not the main problem!

[Steel Maniac]

I disagree.
A competent oline would give us a good running game. that would open up the playbook/field and help hide some of bens faults and make the defenses defend the whole field.

In a perfect scenario like you said, if you hide SOME OF BEN'S fault's but you can't hide his decision making when he does have time in the pocket. He's making bad reads, bad decisions. a good O-line can't hide that. He's just done. And he's mostly a sitting duck back there as well.

[hawaiiansteel]

Ben is the main problem, his pre snap reads are terrible, his post snap reads are terrible, his arm strength his terrible, his accuracy is terrible, and you cant even role him out to help the oline because his mobility is terrible.

I agree 100%.

[whisper]

I think that this might be true. I certainly agree that we've had bad luck with injuries over the last few years.

But he's not the solution to the problems we have.

And he's not the future.

I don't think we're at the point where we're playing to maximize development / see what we have for next year.

If (i) the D doesn't get healthy soon so they can carry the team and (ii) the O can't crack 20 points, we'll get there sooner rather than later.

I.e seen this movie before.

[SteelBucks]

Ben is the main problem, his pre snap reads are terrible, his post snap reads are terrible, his arm strength his terrible, his accuracy is terrible, and you cant even role him out to help the oline because his mobility is terrible.

OL is the main problem. A QB change solves nothing.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Ben is done but I doubt Mason would be of little help behind our leaky OL. We’d just have another beat up QB and a nonexistent running game.

[Steel Maniac]

OL is the main problem. A QB change solves nothing.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Ben is done but I doubt Mason would be of little help behind our leaky OL. We’d just have another beat up QB and a nonexistent running game.

Your probably right.

[Northern_Blitz]

I.e seen this movie before.

Yep <insert sad face>

[Mr.wizard]

OL is the main problem. A QB change solves nothing.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Ben is done but I doubt Mason would be of little help behind our leaky OL. We’d just have another beat up QB and a nonexistent running game.

I disagree if you had a QB that could stretch the field it opens running lanes which opens the play action which slows down the pass rush. I dont care how good your oline is, if you're running against stacked fronts you arent going to run the ball with any consistency.

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I disagree if you had a QB that could stretch the field it opens running lanes which opens the play action which slows down the pass rush. I dont care how good your oline is, if you're running against stacked fronts you arent going to run the ball with any consistency.

I actually wish Ben would not play just to see who is right about who’s fault it is.
I really can’t believe our HC would allow this team to stink just to make Ben happy.
If true, what does that say about trying to win?

[Mr.wizard]

I actually wish Ben would not play just to see who is right about who’s fault it is.
I really can’t believe our HC would allow this team to stink just to make Ben happy.
If true, what does that say about trying to win?

I dont see them benching Ben one Td pass away from 400. I think after he gets 400 he will get "injured" and we will see Rudolph.

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I dont see them benching Ben one Td pass away from 400. I think after he gets 400 he will get "injured" and we will see Rudolph.

I don’t see Ben sitting unless he gets legitimately hurt.
Why not just let Ben rack up HoF stats.
Tomlin couldn’t win with super loaded rosters, he isn’t winning with Rudolph.
What will playing Rudolph accomplish?
Nobody in their right mind believes he is the next franchise guy.

[Northern_Blitz]

I actually wish Ben would not play just to see who is right about who’s fault it is.
I really can’t believe our HC would allow this team to stink just to make Ben happy.
If true, what does that say about trying to win?

I think benching a franchise QB is a big deal.

And they didn't do it last year when the decision was pretty important late in the season.

I also think the experiment would be interesting.

Right now the closest thing we have is the back to back Cle games with Mason then Ben.

That comparison isn't exactly flattering for Ben, but the sample size is small.

But the problems on the O are bigger than any one thing IMO. Pretty much everything seems to suck.

[brothervad]

I don’t see Ben sitting unless he gets legitimately hurt.
Why not just let Ben rack up HoF stats.
Tomlin couldn’t win with super loaded rosters, he isn’t winning with Rudolph.
What will playing Rudolph accomplish?
Nobody in their right mind believes he is the next franchise guy.

Well I guess HOF stats he will get a ton of yards this year (4539 - 3rd most in his career, if normalized to 16 games its still 4th most).

If he stays healthy

But the TD/INT will be a dismal 17/17 - a number that he hasn't seen since 2010 (17/5) or 2008 (17/15) which resembles more closely the 2021 projections.

Brothervad

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Well I guess HOF stats he will get a ton of yards this year (4539 - 3rd most in his career, if normalized to 16 games its still 4th most).

If he stays healthy

But the TD/INT will be a dismal 17/17 - a number that he hasn't seen since 2010 (17/5) or 2008 (17/15) which resembles more closely the 2021 projections.

Brothervad

He should be able to finish 5th all time yardage this season.
Probably stay 7th on tds if he keeps this pace. Maybe throw a handful above his projection and could take 5th place in that also….
Would be kinda hard to keep him out first ballot with those numbers, even if his ints are up this season.
If we aren’t trying at other positions, let him play for personal stats.

[Mr.wizard]

I don’t see Ben sitting unless he gets legitimately hurt.
Why not just let Ben rack up HoF stats.
Tomlin couldn’t win with super loaded rosters, he isn’t winning with Rudolph.
What will playing Rudolph accomplish?
Nobody in their right mind believes he is the next franchise guy.

Not going to turn this into another Tomlin thread.

[Northern_Blitz]

He should be able to finish 5th all time yardage this season.
Probably stay 7th on tds if he keeps this pace. Maybe throw a handful above his projection and could take 5th place in that also….
Would be kinda hard to keep him out first ballot with those numbers, even if his ints are up this season.
If we aren’t trying at other positions, let him play for personal stats.

He's already a 1st ballot guy based on on-field success IMO.

And if they decide to make him wait because of the rape allegations, I don't think climbing up the ranks will matter.