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  • feltdizz
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    • May 2008
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    #31
    Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
    i'm honestly disappointed that a 1 year $1.75 deal and they didn't keep him in black and gold for that price... i just pictured he'd be the long-term backup....
    honestly, not sure what people see on the field in Conner that makes people want to keep him.

    The idea of Conner is awesome. I loved watching him at Pitt and defended the draft pick.l at the time. However, he just hasn’t shown enough on the field to warrant the amount of love he gets from fans.

    Also, if the rumors are true that he hurt his toe on a recreational vehicle it shows a bit if irresponsibility.

    I wonder if thats why he was “benched” during the season.
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    • Eich
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      • Jul 2010
      • 6931

      #32
      Originally posted by feltdizz
      Also, if the rumors are true that he hurt his toe on a recreational vehicle it shows a bit if irresponsibility.

      I wonder if thats why he was “benched” during the season.
      Irresponsible? That's a stretch.

      I don't think the injury is a rumor. It's been reported. It was also reported that the injury occurred in the off-season. You can injure yourself walking down the street. Expecting an athlete to do nothing other than play football and live in a bubble is completely unrealistic.

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      • feltdizz
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        • May 2008
        • 27135

        #33
        Originally posted by Eich
        Irresponsible? That's a stretch.

        I don't think the injury is a rumor. It's been reported. It was also reported that the injury occurred in the off-season. You can injure yourself walking down the street. Expecting an athlete to do nothing other than play football and live in a bubble is completely unrealistic.
        wrong.. pretty sure most teams have things like recreational and dangerous activities written into contracts.

        This is why you sometimes hear players saying they fell in the shower and then the real story comes out that they were doing something irresponsible.

        there is a huge gap between walking down the street and skiing or riding ATV’s.

        this is old but it was in Winslows contract when he was injured riding a motorcycle:

        Section 3 of the NFL's standard player contract stipulates, in part, that a "player will not engage in … any activity other than football which may involve a significant risk of personal injury. … Player therefore agrees that club will have the right … to enjoin the player from engaging in any activity other than football which may involve a significant risk of injury."
        Last edited by feltdizz; 04-14-2021, 12:24 PM.
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        • papillon
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          • Mar 2008
          • 11337

          #34
          Originally posted by feltdizz
          its possible to do both IMO.

          This idea that you have to go OL first
          or it will fail is a bad way of looking at it.

          and if we can go OL first AND get one of the RB’s from UNC in round 2 I won’t be mad.

          I think its possible to improve both positions on the first 2 days.
          Yeah, with Connor gone it will be difficult to not improve the running back group. Me personally, I'd rather try and make an average to above average back into a good to great back by improving the Oline.

          I'm old school. I love having an offensive line that just moves people when necessary. I couldn't watch last year when it was nearly impossible for many reasons to rush the football for 1 or 2 lousy yards when they needed it and that includes using your 240 pound quarterback on a sneak. Anyhow, it looks like a top 3 tackle will be available at 1.24 and one of the top 4 center prospects will be available in the 2nd. From what I'm reading, Humphrey, Dickerson, Minierez and the other guy are all about the same so the Steelers will in all likelihood be able to grab one of them in the 2nd, not sure about the 3rd.

          With the the RB position having an average length of service of around 3-4 years, I'd rather take players that, if they pan out, they will be around for 8-10 years and replace the RB when necessary. That's just me, I wouldn't be sad with a really good back in the 2nd or even the 1st but it seems that all great running games start with the guys up front and this year's draft seems to have an abundance of really good offensive linemen and, in particular, at the positions the Steelers need, tackle and center.

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          Last edited by papillon; 04-14-2021, 01:01 PM.
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          • Northern_Blitz
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            • Dec 2008
            • 23901

            #35
            Originally posted by feltdizz
            honestly, not sure what people see on the field in Conner that makes people want to keep him.

            The idea of Conner is awesome. I loved watching him at Pitt and defended the draft pick.l at the time. However, he just hasn’t shown enough on the field to warrant the amount of love he gets from fans.

            Also, if the rumors are true that he hurt his toe on a recreational vehicle it shows a bit if irresponsibility.

            I wonder if thats why he was “benched” during the season.
            I would have been fine bringing him back on a cheap deal to compete for playing time.

            He's pretty good when healthy.

            But I'm also fine with him not coming back.

            RBs tend to get less healthy with age, and his performance will probably decline in that way too.

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            • Eich
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              • Jul 2010
              • 6931

              #36
              Originally posted by feltdizz
              wrong.. pretty sure most teams have things like recreational and dangerous activities written into contracts.

              This is why you sometimes hear players saying they fell in the shower and then the real story comes out that they were doing something irresponsible.

              there is a huge gap between walking down the street and skiing or riding ATV’s.

              this is old but it was in Winslows contract when he was injured riding a motorcycle:

              Section 3 of the NFL's standard player contract stipulates, in part, that a "player will not engage in … any activity other than football which may involve a significant risk of personal injury. … Player therefore agrees that club will have the right … to enjoin the player from engaging in any activity other than football which may involve a significant risk of injury."
              LOL.

              Athletes are going to play pickup basketball, drive fast cars, surf, ski, ride ATVs, motorcycles and all of the other things that active people enjoy doing, all of which has a risk.

              It's their body, they can decide if the risk is worth it. Calling it irresponsible is a stretch. They take a ton of risk on the football field every time they step on it. The only time I can see where a football team has a legitimate gripe is if they guarantee a large contract, even if the player is injured in non-football activity, which I doubt many teams do. And that certainly wasn't the case with Conner.

              You're living in a dream world if you think that most NFL athletes don't do "risky" things, ESPECIALLY in the offseason. At least he didn't go all Plexico Burress and shoot himself with his own gun in a bar. Now THAT was irresponsible.

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              • Northern_Blitz
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                • Dec 2008
                • 23901

                #37
                Originally posted by Eich
                LOL.

                Athletes are going to play pickup basketball, drive fast cars, surf, ski, ride ATVs, motorcycles and all of the other things that active people enjoy doing, all of which has a risk.

                It's their body, they can decide if the risk is worth it. Calling it irresponsible is a stretch. They take a ton of risk on the football field every time they step on it. The only time I can see where a football team has a legitimate gripe is if they guarantee a large contract, even if the player is injured in non-football activity, which I doubt many teams do. And that certainly wasn't the case with Conner.

                You're living in a dream world if you think that most NFL athletes don't do "risky" things, ESPECIALLY in the offseason. At least he didn't go all Plexico Burress and shoot himself with his own gun in a bar. Now THAT was irresponsible.
                Or blow off his finger with a firecracker.

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                • SteelerOfDeVille
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                  • May 2008
                  • 9065

                  #38
                  Originally posted by feltdizz
                  honestly, not sure what people see on the field in Conner that makes people want to keep him.

                  The idea of Conner is awesome. I loved watching him at Pitt and defended the draft pick.l at the time. However, he just hasn’t shown enough on the field to warrant the amount of love he gets from fans.

                  Also, if the rumors are true that he hurt his toe on a recreational vehicle it shows a bit if irresponsibility.

                  I wonder if thats why he was “benched” during the season.
                  Nobody is saying that he's the guy that we're expecting to be all pro.
                  And no one is saying give him $10 mil a year.
                  Dude signed for $1.75 mil. For perspective, Terrell Edmunds is on his rookie contract and is making more than the $1.75mil this year that Conner just signed for.

                  Are you seriously arguing that he isn't even worth THAT, cuz that's just silly.

                  Personally, I saw him as the Charlie Batch to the RB - local kid, full-time backup who can save you in a pinch. You can still go get your starter, Conner's the backup and you get a scat-back to compliment them.
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                  • NorthCoast
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 26102

                    #39
                    Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                    Nobody is saying that he's the guy that we're expecting to be all pro.
                    And no one is saying give him $10 mil a year.
                    Dude signed for $1.75 mil. For perspective, Terrell Edmunds is on his rookie contract and is making more than the $1.75mil this year that Conner just signed for.

                    Are you seriously arguing that he isn't even worth THAT, cuz that's just silly.

                    Personally, I saw him as the Charlie Batch to the RB - local kid, full-time backup who can save you in a pinch. You can still go get your starter, Conner's the backup and you get a scat-back to compliment them.
                    Agreed. He was at least average if not slightly better than when he was on the field.

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                    • hawaiiansteel
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                      • May 2008
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                      Dude signed for $1.75 mil.
                      I would have signed Conner to a one year contract for $1.75 mil.

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                      • feltdizz
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                        • May 2008
                        • 27135

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Eich
                        LOL.

                        Athletes are going to play pickup basketball, drive fast cars, surf, ski, ride ATVs, motorcycles and all of the other things that active people enjoy doing, all of which has a risk.

                        It's their body, they can decide if the risk is worth it. Calling it irresponsible is a stretch. They take a ton of risk on the football field every time they step on it. The only time I can see where a football team has a legitimate gripe is if they guarantee a large contract, even if the player is injured in non-football activity, which I doubt many teams do. And that certainly wasn't the case with Conner.

                        You're living in a dream world if you think that most NFL athletes don't do "risky" things, ESPECIALLY in the offseason. At least he didn't go all Plexico Burress and shoot himself with his own gun in a bar. Now THAT was irresponsible.
                        No.. sorry. This isn’t how it works. I believe you ate in the dream world if you think teams aren’t frustrated when players are injured doing recreational activities.

                        While we know players will do risky things and things they shouldn’t in the offseason they still have a responsibility not to injure themselves doing it which is why contracts exist.

                        They are paid millions to play football. Of course teams don’t want them to get injured but if they do, they damn sure want it to happen while they are working on football related activities.
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                        • feltdizz
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                          • May 2008
                          • 27135

                          #42
                          Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                          Nobody is saying that he's the guy that we're expecting to be all pro.
                          And no one is saying give him $10 mil a year.
                          Dude signed for $1.75 mil. For perspective, Terrell Edmunds is on his rookie contract and is making more than the $1.75mil this year that Conner just signed for.

                          Are you seriously arguing that he isn't even worth THAT, cuz that's just silly.

                          Personally, I saw him as the Charlie Batch to the RB - local kid, full-time backup who can save you in a pinch. You can still go get your starter, Conner's the backup and you get a scat-back to compliment them.
                          Obviously he wasn’t worth that to us because we didn’t sign him.

                          If that is all he signed for imagine what other teams thought he was worth?

                          Sorry dude.. Charlie Batch is the guy you rarely, if ever need on the field. I think your hometown feel good story is getting in the way of what you saw on the field.

                          Once again Edmunds is the punching bag. If Conner played as much as Edwards and played as well I believe he would still be here.
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                          • Captain Lemming
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                            • Jun 2008
                            • 15974

                            #43
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            Obviously he wasn’t worth that to us because we didn’t sign him.

                            If that is all he signed for imagine what other teams thought he was worth?

                            Sorry dude.. Charlie Batch is the guy you rarely, if ever need on the field. I think your hometown feel good story is getting in the way of what you saw on the field.

                            Once again Edmunds is the punching bag. If Conner played as much as Edwards and played as well I believe he would still be here.
                            Nobody is making Edmonds a puching bag...key point is he is on his ROOKIE DEAL and Conner signed for less than that.
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                            • Oviedo
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                              • May 2008
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                              #44
                              Over/Under on games missed due to injury.

                              I'm betting he misses at least 4
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                              • flippy
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                                • Dec 2008
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                                i'm honestly disappointed that a 1 year $1.75 deal and they didn't keep him in black and gold for that price... i just pictured he'd be the long-term backup....
                                Agreed. I think we shoulda kept him for this.
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