Make your call

[Captain Lemming]

No Oviedo. I would really like to have dialog with you about my sig. I’m not being sarcastic either; I’m being sincere.

I told you before. Unless you are brown and from India, you can't wear a swastika as a white peace loving Hindu and not be thought a Nazi.

The fact that you keep having to explain what your signature doesn't mean, should give you a clue of what others see in it.

Your signature says you hate Tomlin period. When I say "hate" it is not like you want him dead. Not that you hate him as a person.

You hate that he is the Steelers coach.

If you do....just own it, stop trying to play both sides of the fence.

If that is not your current opinion be aware that you hate Tomlin being our coach is what it tells us.

Communication is about what people "hear" not what you claim to mean.

[Steel Maniac]

I told you before. Unless you are brown and from India, you can't wear a swastika as a white peace loving Hindu and not be thought a Nazi.

The fact that you keep having to explain what your signature doesn't mean, should give you a clue of what others see in it.

Your signature says you hate Tomlin period. When I say "hate" it is not like you want him dead. Not that you hate him as a person.

You hate that he is the Steelers coach.

If you do....just own it, stop trying to play both sides of the fence.

If that is not your current opinion be aware that you hate Tomlin being our coach is what it tells us.

Communication is about what people "hear" not what you claim to mean.

Captain,

I've not said one word about Tomlin; Why must you and other constantly ask about my opinion on him? We are undefeated; therefore he can't be doing a bad job. My sig only refers to the playoffs. I"ve never said anything about the job he's done in the regular season. Others have; I haven't. He's obviously done a good enough job in the regular season to get us to the post season.

My sig only refers to the post season........we are in the regular season. I've no problem with him in the regular season. I don't "hate" that he's our coach.

Think about it; If my sig only refers to what he does in the post season, why would I be saying anything about him in the regular season???????????? He does a good enough job to get us to the post season.

Nobody is playing it both ways as you say. I don't feel it necessary to talk about the post season ALL YEAR! We can talk about the post season , when the post season comes and then off-season perhaps.

Again.........let me make this very clear........I do not hate Tomlin and I do not hate Tomlin as our coach. I'm content until we get a new coach.

I'm enjoying our season so far (along with many others) and I'm riding it out for what it's worth.

My sig only refers to the post-season and our post season future with Tomlin......and I"m content with riding it out until we get a new coach.

*** I agree with Feltdizz signiture. LOL. Whole hartedly.

[hawaiiansteel]

Why must you and other constantly ask about my opinion on him?

no one is asking what your opinion on Tomlin is.

all anyone has to do is look at your sig for that answer.

[Steel Maniac]

Communication is about what people "hear" not what you claim to mean.

This isn't about "hearing". These are posted words where people put connotations of things in their mind about what they "think" is being said. In posted words, only the author knows FOR SURE what he is saying and the connotation it is in.

I'm the author..and if I hated someone, I'd have no problem saying it. I don't care enough about anybody in here to have to lie about how I feel about something. Hahahahaha.

[hawaiiansteel]

This isn't about "hearing". These are posted words where people put connotations of things in their mind about what they "think" is being said.

there's no need to read between the lines here, it's pretty obvious that you want Tomlin fired.

[papillon]

The only way we go 16-0 is if we need to win the last game to keep the#1 seed.

15-1

Which is a very real possibility. Kansas City is a damn good football team.

Pappy

[Northern_Blitz]

This isn't about "hearing". These are posted words where people put connotations of things in their mind about what they "think" is being said. In posted words, only the author knows FOR SURE what he is saying and the connotation it is in.

I'm the author..and if I hated someone, I'd have no problem saying it. I don't care enough about anybody in here to have to lie about how I feel about something. Hahahahaha.

This could be true in some cases. But in this specific case, I don't think you can hide behind the idea that other people are misreading the context of your posts.

You have lots of other posts that give more than enough context to your view.

And lots of other posts pretending to want to be reasonable or whatever. Usually after people point out blatant moving of goal posts or hypocrisy. It seems to be a clear attempt to distract / change the channel. I think people would generally respect you more if you just admitted you were wrong (especially when it's clear).

As support for my argument here, I'll provide the links from my old sig. It was useful to have those links available because you often tend to misrepresent what you posted in the past when it suits whatever your current argument is and I got tired of searching for those posts. But, I stopped displaying them in my sig because you had complained in the past that it felt link an attack and I decided (probably belatedly) to stop displaying them publicly.

I think that your comments in these threads (and several more that aren't shown here) give more than enough context.

You are free to go through them if you like.

I particularly like the one where you said that Tomlin would be fired last year or the year before. But when I pointed out that you said that, you said that you really meant he would only be fired / traded after last season. But he's still the coach...I'm sure you can move the goal posts again here.

https://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/[FONT=Calibri]49599-Just-sayin?p=778284#post778284[/FONT]

Talent vs coaching: https://www.planetsteelers.com/forum...veryone/page14

Steelers vs. Other Teams with good QBs: https://www.planetsteelers.com/forum...#91;/FONT]

Tomlin playoff record vs. expectations (Cowher pg24): [video]www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/48742-Rooney-Brown-meeting/page22[/video]

Tomlin's Las year: [video]www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/49599-Just-sayin?p=778284#post778284[/video]

Maniac Talent>Coaching: [video]www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/49632-Trades?p=779158#post779158[/video]

Edit1: Not sure why the last few links don't work. But it's possible to copy past them into the search bar if you want to see them. The "Tomlin's last year" one is the first link in the post.

Edit2: Reading through these, I miss having Ruthless's perspective on the forum.

[hawaiiansteel]

what is the one thing Tomlin is good at? Nothing.

nah, you don't criticize Mike Tomlin.

[whisper]

nah, you don't criticize Mike Tomlin.

Nah, you don't obsess over it. Who cares if another fan doesn't like a player or coach? Why do you care? What, people aren't allowed to form their own opinions?

[Steel Maniac]

This could be true in some cases. But in this specific case, I don't think you can hide behind the idea that other people are misreading the context of your posts.

You have lots of other posts that give more than enough context to your view.

And lots of other posts pretending to want to be reasonable or whatever. Usually after people point out blatant moving of goal posts or hypocrisy. It seems to be a clear attempt to distract / change the channel. I think people would generally respect you more if you just admitted you were wrong (especially when it's clear).

As support for my argument here, I'll provide the links from my old sig. It was useful to have those links available because you often tend to misrepresent what you posted in the past when it suits whatever your current argument is and I got tired of searching for those posts. But, I stopped displaying them in my sig because you had complained in the past that it felt link an attack and I decided (probably belatedly) to stop displaying them publicly.

I think that your comments in these threads (and several more that aren't shown here) give more than enough context.

You are free to go through them if you like.

I particularly like the one where you said that Tomlin would be fired last year or the year before. But when I pointed out that you said that, you said that you really meant he would only be fired / traded after last season. But he's still the coach...I'm sure you can move the goal posts again here.

https://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/[FONT=Calibri]49599-Just-sayin?p=778284#post778284[/FONT]

Talent vs coaching: https://www.planetsteelers.com/forum...veryone/page14

Steelers vs. Other Teams with good QBs: https://www.planetsteelers.com/forum...#91;/FONT]

Tomlin playoff record vs. expectations (Cowher pg24): [video]www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/48742-Rooney-Brown-meeting/page22[/video]

Tomlin's Las year: [video]www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/49599-Just-sayin?p=778284#post778284[/video]

Maniac Talent>Coaching: [video]www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/49632-Trades?p=779158#post779158[/video]

Edit1: Not sure why the last few links don't work. But it's possible to copy past them into the search bar if you want to see them. The "Tomlin's last year" one is the first link in the post.

Edit2: Reading through these, I miss having Ruthless's perspective on the forum.

North, I'm going to say this again...I don't hate Tomlin. I"ve not criticized Tomlin in a loong time. Yes I"ve criticized him in the past, But as of late, I've not said a word about him.

You can pull up all the old post you choose; My sig is about the playoffs; that's very clear. And it's about going on with him in the future in regards to us winning another chip.

We are in the regular season. And I'm not criticizing and I haven't criticized him this year. When the post season comes, that may be different. But as of now, no.

[Steel Maniac]

Nah, you don't obsess over it. Who cares if another fan doesn't like a player or coach? Why do you care? What, people aren't allowed to form their own opinions?

Let's be fair..

It's not just Hawaiinsteel. Now it's Captain Lemming, Northern_Blitz. And I don't understand what their end game is at this point; or what they want.

***Northern_Blitz?? Can you please tell me what do you and your crew want? What is your end game at this point? Let's bottom line this so we can go back to talking football.

[Steel Maniac]

This could be true in some cases. But in this specific case, I don't think you can hide behind the idea that other people are misreading the context of your posts.

You have lots of other posts that give more than enough context to your view.

And lots of other posts pretending to want to be reasonable or whatever. Usually after people point out blatant moving of goal posts or hypocrisy. It seems to be a clear attempt to distract / change the channel. I think people would generally respect you more if you just admitted you were wrong (especially when it's clear).

As support for my argument here, I'll provide the links from my old sig. It was useful to have those links available because you often tend to misrepresent what you posted in the past when it suits whatever your current argument is and I got tired of searching for those posts. But, I stopped displaying them in my sig because you had complained in the past that it felt link an attack and I decided (probably belatedly) to stop displaying them publicly.

I think that your comments in these threads (and several more that aren't shown here) give more than enough context.

You are free to go through them if you like.

I particularly like the one where you said that Tomlin would be fired last year or the year before. But when I pointed out that you said that, you said that you really meant he would only be fired / traded after last season. But he's still the coach...I'm sure you can move the goal posts again here.

https://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/[FONT=Calibri]49599-Just-sayin?p=778284#post778284[/FONT]

Talent vs coaching: https://www.planetsteelers.com/forum...veryone/page14

Steelers vs. Other Teams with good QBs: https://www.planetsteelers.com/forum...#91;/FONT]

Tomlin playoff record vs. expectations (Cowher pg24): [video]www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/48742-Rooney-Brown-meeting/page22[/video]

Tomlin's Las year: [video]www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/49599-Just-sayin?p=778284#post778284[/video]

Maniac Talent>Coaching: [video]www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/49632-Trades?p=779158#post779158[/video]

Edit1: Not sure why the last few links don't work. But it's possible to copy past them into the search bar if you want to see them. The "Tomlin's last year" one is the first link in the post.

Edit2: Reading through these, I miss having Ruthless's perspective on the forum.

This is a bad attempt by you to try and get Tomlin discussions out of me. Again...for the one millionth time....I"m not having any Tomlin discussions.

***Northern_Blitz?? Can you please tell me what do you and your crew want? What is your end game at this point? Let's bottom line this so we can go back to talking football.

[hawaiiansteel]

It's not just Hawaiinsteel. Now it's Captain Lemming, Northern_Blitz.

and many others.

do you think that there might be the possibility that you have anything to do with that or is it just everyone else's fault?

[hawaiiansteel]

Yes I"ve criticized him in the past, But as of late, I've not said a word about him.

that's only because we're currently 9-0 and there really isn't anything anti-Tomlin you can say right now.

it's your hypocrisy and inability to ever own anything or admit that you're wrong that many people here dislike.

[Oviedo]

North, I'm going to say this again...I don't hate Tomlin. I"ve not criticized Tomlin in a loong time. Yes I"ve criticized him in the past, But as of late, I've not said a word about him.

You can pull up all the old post you choose; My sig is about the playoffs; that's very clear. And it's about going on with him in the future in regards to us winning another chip.

We are in the regular season. And I'm not criticizing and I haven't criticized him this year. When the post season comes, that may be different. But as of now, no.

You have cotinued to criticize him with every post. Your negative signature is part of every one of your posts. You say you only mean play offs but it is the regular season so why have a playoff related negative sig?

If you truly believe what you say then why dont you just delete your negative signature. Do that and it is all gone.

It's an easy solution if you are sincere in what you have been saying