Steelers offensive line’s run-blocking ‘below par’

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  • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
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    • May 2008
    • 10269

    Have to say that every time I see the title of this thread it makes me laugh. Really? Sub-par?
    http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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    • Joel Buchsbaum
      Legend
      • Jan 2021
      • 7744

      Hoping for Banner to start is foolish. Wanting Okorafor as a starter doesn't make much sense either. Feiler if retained in free agency is the best bet for RT.

      Colbert is saying two things.

      1 ) The depth at Tackle is always deeper than the interior.

      2 ) True, but he neglected to say this is a good Center class.

      This allows the Steelers to pick another position ( RB or QB ) in round one, get a good left tackle in round two, and take advantage of a deep Center class in round three. Then we can go back to OL one more time in the draft.
      Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

      Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

      *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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      • hawaiiansteel
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 35638

        Steelers’ 2021 Free Agent Wishlist (Offensive Line)

        By Alex Kozora
        Posted on March 5, 2021

        Interior Offensive Line

        Ben Garland/San Francisco 49ers – Garland is my favorite name on the list. Though he turns 33 in a couple of weeks and doesn’t have much NFL starting experience, just 15 career starts, he has some good tape. He’s spent all of his career playing in zone schemes which on the surface, may not mesh with what the Steelers run. But Maurkice Pouncey was an athletic center who could pull and work out into space and Garland has a similar game. Had to in order to play in the Falcons and 49ers’ outside zone heavy scheme.

        There’s also an obvious connection which could bring Garland to Pittsburgh. The Steelers hired Chris Morgan to be their assistant offensive line coach for 2021. Morgan was Garland’s coach in Atlanta from 2016 to 2018. So there’s some insider intel on who the team is getting.

        Garland has good size at a listed 6’5, 308 that would give him versatility to play center or guard in the Steelers’ scheme. The issue with guys like Stefen Wisniewski or JC Hassenauer is that they essentially function as centers only. Pittsburgh’s system relies on having bigger bodies at guard. So Garland could do both. And he has starting experience at guard and center so neither position is foreign to him.

        Last year, he signed a one-year, $2.25 million deal with the 49ers. His season was cut short with a calf injury so I imagine Pittsburgh can get him on an ultra-cheap one-year contract this offseason. Signing Garland wouldn’t prevent the team from drafting a center this April and if the rookie wins a job, Garland is comfortable depth.

        Joe Looney/Dallas Cowboys – Similar story with Looney as it is with Garland though he’s a little younger (turning 31 in August) with more starting experience (42 career starts). He was tasked to fill in for Travis Frederick in 2020 and wound up starting 12 games for the Cowboys.

        He has good enough size at 6’3, 315. My notes on him showed with nasty and competitiveness to his game and a decent athlete, though he missed at the 2nd level more often than I would’ve liked. He does play with a strong base and anchor in pass protection.

        He also sounds like a strong locker room guy. One part leader, important in replacing Maurkice Pouncey, and one part prankster who keeps things light and would be a good fit among this group. Dallas is expected to move on from him in the offseason. He could be brought in on something like a two-year, $5 million contract.

        Senio Kelemete/Houston Texans – Mentioned his name a few days after the Texans released him. Versatile option whose played up and down the line over his eight-year career. I don’t believe he’s played center during a regular season game before but the Saints got him work there during one of his preseasons with the team. So there is at least in-stadium experience. I’m not sure he would ever be penciled in as a starter but there is little depth along the interior behind Kevin Dotson, David DeCastro, and whoever ends up starting at center.

        Pat Elflein/New York Jets – Little bit of pedigree here. Ohio State kid, Steelers were at his Pro Day, and third round pick of the 2017 draft. The youngest option on our list, he won’t turn 27 until July. Vikings cut bait with him last year but he got scooped up by the Jets and wound up starting six games at guard. He began his career at center giving him key position versatility.

        Tackles

        James Hurst/New Orleans Saints – Ok, this one hurts me to write. I remember watching Hurst in Baltimore and he felt like one of the worst tackles in football. But I’m interested in him as a backup, certainly not a starter, and someone with tackle/guard versatility. He moved onto the Saints this past year who used him as a backup LT when Terron Armstead was out and as a 6th offensive linemen/tackle eligible. Which could be a role the team needs to fill if Zach Banner is a starting tackle and Jerald Hawkins isn’t re-signed.

        Hurst had some positive tape as a run blocker, creating movement on down blocks, and to his credit, held up well against Bradley Chubb and the Denver Broncos in one of his starts at left tackle.

        I wouldn’t sign him for anything more than the minimum. But that’s what he played for in 2020 and I doubt his market value has changed dramatically especially with the salary cap contracting.

        Kelvin Beachum/Arizona Cardinals – Adding his name to this list but you guys know we’ve talked about him several times already. Beachum’s o-line coach at SMU was Adrian Klemm, whose now in that same role with the Steelers. Pittsburgh has a history of bringing ex-Steelers back to town and Beachum can still play. He’s also a great locker room and member of the community today.

        The concern with Beachum is that he might want more money and a better opportunity than Pittsburgh where he’d have to take a cheap, one or two-year deal and not be assured of a starting spot. He’s been a starting linemen in this league for nine straight seasons and I don’t think he’ll quickly take a reserve role in Pittsburgh especially knowing how hard it is for the league to find competent tackles. There could be a bit of a market for him.

        As is our annual tradition, here is my wishlist of - heavy emphasis coming - realistic options the Pittsburgh Steelers could consider once free agency

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        • Steel Maniac
          Banned
          • Apr 2017
          • 19472

          Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
          Hoping for Banner to start is foolish. Wanting Okorafor as a starter doesn't make much sense either. Feiler if retained in free agency is the best bet for RT.

          Colbert is saying two things.

          1 ) The depth at Tackle is always deeper than the interior.

          2 ) True, but he neglected to say this is a good Center class.

          This allows the Steelers to pick another position ( RB or QB ) in round one, get a good left tackle in round two, and take advantage of a deep Center class in round three. Then we can go back to OL one more time in the draft.
          I like how your trying to attack a weakness ( O-line) and make it into a strength with this analysis. If we went hard at the O-line in this fashion , I think a lot of us would be happy with the prospects of the coming season.

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          • hawaiiansteel
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 35638

            Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
            Hoping for Banner to start is foolish. Wanting Okorafor as a starter doesn't make much sense either. Feiler if retained in free agency is the best bet for RT.
            I think there's a good chance that Banner and Okorafor are our starting OTs this season.

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            • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 10269

              Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
              I think there's a good chance that Banner and Okorafor are our starting OTs this season.
              If that's the case then the only RB that I would want in this draft is Barry Sanders.
              http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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              • Steel Maniac
                Banned
                • Apr 2017
                • 19472

                Hahahahahahaha

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                • hawaiiansteel
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 35638

                  Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                  If that's the case then the only RB that I would want in this draft is Barry Sanders.
                  Barry is 52 now.

                  still think he's got the moves?

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                  • hawaiiansteel
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 35638

                    Ian Rapoport
                    @RapSheet

                    The #Bears are not likely to exercise the option on OT Bobby Massie’s contract, another casualty of the cap crunch, source said. He’ll be a FA, saving them more than $5M vs. the cap & putting a starting caliber tackle on the market in a year when OTs are more valuable than ever.

                    Mar 8, 2021

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                    • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 10269

                      Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                      Barry is 52 now.

                      still think he's got the moves?
                      Yes....yes I do.
                      http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...to_Mike/to.jpg

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                      • Steel Maniac
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2017
                        • 19472

                        Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                        Yes....yes I do.
                        Saying Barry still has more wiggle then Snell at 52; hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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                        • hawaiiansteel
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 35638

                          Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                          hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
                          judging from your posts, I no longer think you had a Cowher sig.

                          you probably weren't born yet when he coached.

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                          • hawaiiansteel
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 35638

                            Originally posted by whisper
                            No, wait, best if they were from W PA, then went to school in MD or VA AND their dad is a Steeler fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            turns out Tomlin likes Wisconsin guys the most, not Maryland or Virginia:

                            Mike Nicastro
                            @MikedUpSports1
                            According to
                            @thebadgerswire

                            the #Steelers now lead the #NFL in Wisconsin Badgers.

                            TJ Watt
                            Derek Watt
                            Joe Schobert
                            Isaiahh Loudermilk

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                            • Captain Lemming
                              Legend
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 16001

                              Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                              turns out Tomlin likes Wisconsin guys the most, not Maryland or Virginia:

                              Mike Nicastro
                              @MikedUpSports1
                              According to
                              @thebadgerswire

                              the #Steelers now lead the #NFL in Wisconsin Badgers.

                              TJ Watt
                              Derek Watt
                              Joe Schobert
                              Isaiahh Loudermilk

                              https://twitter.com/MikedUpSports1/s...79747045388291
                              Wisconsin is is for us like Indiana basketball of the 70s....hotbed of great white talent.
                              sigpic



                              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                              TCFCLTC-
                              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                              • Joel Buchsbaum
                                Legend
                                • Jan 2021
                                • 7744

                                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                                Fact check; on first downs the Steelers run 50% of the time vs 49% league average. This isn't really the problem. What is the problem is that regardless of whether it's a pass or run they've been miserably unsuccessful on first downs, ranking 28th on runs and 24th on passes in the NFL.
                                Good data. Hopefully Harris can fix that. He has not blown me away. Too slow to be a real treat outside. Isn't running over people either, but the sample size is small.
                                Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                                Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                                *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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