A Positive View of they Draft

[Northern_Blitz]

Just like him actually listing 4 needs but always claiming Steeler draft bpa.

I don't get your argument here.

You say that he listed 4 needs that the Steelers have.

Then, they pick a player who doesn't play any of those positions.

And you say that's evidence that they draft for need over BPA?

It seems to me that drafting a player outside of your biggest needs is evidence that you went BPA. Don't you think? Although I tend to disagree with Ovidios needs list because I think LB was more of a want than a need (and that RB wasn't really either...more of a nice to have).

IMO, our biggest need was probably DT, and we barely addressed that in the draft at all.

Note: Like all teams, the Steelers draft for some combination of need & BPA. I think we tend to see better players when we pick BPA over need and that we should do that all the time because every position is always one play away from being a need given the violence of the sport. But maybe that's me rationalizing why guys like Burns don't work out when all draft picks are a crap shoot anyway.

[feltdizz]

Just like him actually listing 4 needs but always claiming Steeler draft bpa.

but we didn’t draft those need last did we?

I think it’s safe to say we draft BPA and sometimes that’s at a position of need.

When we reach for a player and people complain about him being drafted too early.. that’s clearly drafting for need vs BPA.

Not sure why you continue to stick to one narrative and think saying it over and over again makes it true. It just makes you look stubborn and mule headed... aka trolling for attention.

[whisper]

Appreciate your faith and confidence in me

...and Jones was just another example of me being right

No reason to apologize about being right (I know you're not). I didn't know to bash the Jone's pick until his 2nd season. He was such a horrid pick. Looking back, those trying to defend him to the very end looked really silly.

[whisper]

https://triblive.com/sports/mark-madden-steelers-2020-draft-class-wont-offer-immediate-help/

This guy constantly tries to be "edgy" to get attention/clicks. But he isn't always wrong, and I agree with most of this piece.

[whatever]

but we didn’t draft those need last did we?

I think it’s safe to say we draft BPA and sometimes that’s at a position of need.

When we reach for a player and people complain about him being drafted too early.. that’s clearly drafting for need vs BPA.

Not sure why you continue to stick to one narrative and think saying it over and over again makes it true. It just makes you look stubborn and mule headed... aka trolling for attention.

I gave everybody the opportunity to list 'steeler types' guys a few weeks before the draft. I asked for the knowledgeable posters who frequently use this term to list guys that are 'steeler types' so I could focus on them while checking out scouting reports.
1 person stepped up and listed a handful of guys he seemed 'steeler types'. None of the frequent phrase users listed anybody.
Low and behold, after we made our selections, here they are talking about what great picks they are.
Just curious why they didn't take the opportunity to show off how much they knew about those guys before.
And once again, why say we draft bpa at a position of need when every team in the league drafts the same way?

[Steel Maniac]

I gave everybody the opportunity to list 'steeler types' guys a few weeks before the draft. I asked for the knowledgeable posters who frequently use this term to list guys that are 'steeler types' so I could focus on them while checking out scouting reports.
1 person stepped up and listed a handful of guys he seemed 'steeler types'. None of the frequent phrase users listed anybody.
Low and behold, after we made our selections, here they are talking about what great picks they are.
Just curious why they didn't take the opportunity to show off how much they knew about those guys before.
And once again, why say we draft bpa at a position of need when every team in the league drafts the same way?

I understand the point your making but others want to pretend that they don't understand. Your point is that no matter who the FO selects, people say how great those certain guys are ,even thou they were
never even mentioned or brought up before hand. Your point has validity. But your not going to ever get your point acknowledged by those who say everything we do is great.

But I get your point.

[hawaiiansteel]

I understand the point your making but others want to pretend that they don't understand. Your point is that no matter who the FO selects, people say how great those certain guys are ,even thou they were
never even mentioned or brought up before hand. Your point has validity. But your not going to ever get your point acknowledged by those who say everything we do is great.

But I get your point.

as a fellow Tomlin hater I'm sure you do...

[whatever]

as a fellow Tomlin hater I'm sure you do...

It's not that hard to understand. Even a Tomlin lover should get it.

[Steel Maniac]

As a Tomlin lover, you have no perception Hawaiian. None. Hawaiian, why don't you go say something to Steelz09? Go call him names. He doesn't like Tomlin. Yet, you say nothing
to him.

[hawaiiansteel]

As a Tomlin lover, you have no perception Hawaiian. None. Hawaiian, why don't you go say something to Steelz09? Go call him names. He doesn't like Tomlin. Yet, you say nothing
to him.

once again, you are wrong.

I am far from being a Tomlin lover, why don't you check your facts before you go running off your mouth...

[Starlifter]

pandemic, popcorn and planetsteelers post draft......

quality entertainment.........

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

the 182nd pick in the draft is a going to be a bust and the steelers should have grabbed the guy that went 186.........

Actually if we traded down 7 slots we still could have picked the same guy at 189 and received an extra second rounder next year.

[hawaiiansteel]

Actually if we traded down 7 slots we still could have picked the same guy at 189 and received an extra second rounder next year.

plus Leonard Fournette, Myles Jack, Yannick Ngakoue and Gardner Minshew...

[Captain Lemming]

As a Tomlin lover, you have no perception Hawaiian. None. Hawaiian, why don't you go say something to Steelz09? Go call him names. He doesn't like Tomlin. Yet, you say nothing
to him.

If my recall is correct, I think 09 considers himself a “hater”. There are plenty of people who hate that Tomlin is our coach, just like I hate overpaying runningbacks. OV “hated” Lebeau being DC. They own it, they have the courage of their convictions. I don’t understand that you bash Tomlin so routinely, yet you are so sensitive about it.

[Captain Lemming]

once again, you are wrong.

I am far from being a Tomlin lover, why don't you check your facts before you go running off your mouth...

Somebody ask for FACTS?

Per usual, I gotta bring the facts;

Hawaiian is neither a lover nor a hater of Tomlin. He judges Tomlin based in his current performance period. When the team was in disarray he was pretty fed up with Tomlin.

Maniac, THAT IS WHY you guys used to agree.

He just is not a blind hater.
He like many felt like the coaching job last season redeemed him.

”The facts”
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