”From the 2010-2018 season Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games.

[Captain Lemming]

I am going to positively DESTROY this FLAWED logic.

BTW Maniac, kudos for giving the coaches props on the last game. Again shows you are not a blind hater.

But I AM going to go after your sig as it demonstrates a major error in your reasoning.

Let me ask......why are we looking at THAT time frame specifically? 8 seasons? Kinda weird.

First of all you say, “between 2010 and 2018”.

After the 2010 season.....in February 2011.....we played the Packers in the SB.
I think you “missed” a few playoff wins that year.

But I get your point. You meant, “from the 2011 season”. OK, lets go there.

We are looking at the time when “Cowhers players had left”. But are we.....really?

2011 roster included:
Troy
Ike
Kiesel
Harrison
Ward
Miller
Farrior
Casey
Troy
Clark
A Smith
Hoke
McFadden
Starks
Colon

So we are NOT in fact looking at the period when the core players from Cowher had left.

But we DID NOT WIN a playof game that season which began a playoff win drought......WITH Cowhers AGING players.

The drought ENDED as Tomlin drafted players became core to the team.

If you HONESTLY want to look at Tomlin leading HIS players, here is a real “round” figure that correlates to Tomlin your point.

Last 5 seasons. Cowhers guys were almost all gone.
Maniac, compare that period of success (playoff or regular season) to ANY AFC coach not name Belichick.
I’ll give you the Broncos, who won a SB......a success for one season.

Anybody else?

The fact is that an 8 year period has ZERO correlation to Tomlins players.

It was chosen because it fits a narrative.

[Northern_Blitz]

Thanks Captain

It really feels like that time frame is cherry picked specifically because it starts after the SB appearance, but includes the lack of playoff games because of the rebuild.

Your work here shows that the idea of "Cowher's players leaving" doesn't coincide with this time period either. This strengthens the idea that the time frame wasn't selected for that reason.

I wonder if this narrative will persist even though you've disproven it here?

[Captain Lemming]

Thanks Captain

It really feels like that time frame is cherry picked specifically because it starts after the SB appearance, but includes the lack of playoff games because of the rebuild.

Your work here shows that the idea of "Cowher's players leaving" doesn't coincide with this time period either. This strengthens the idea that the time frame wasn't selected for that reason.

I wonder if this narrative will persist even though you've disproven it here?

It is what happens when you come up with a conclusion and THEN try to justify it with data.

It seems correct, because the team DID undergo that transition.

It is not intentionally misleading, just assumed the facts fit the predetermined narrative without checking the actual timeline.

[ikestops85]

Give it a little time … he's busy moving the goal posts.

[Northern_Blitz]

It is what happens when you come up with a conclusion and THEN try to justify it with data.

It seems correct, because the team DID undergo that transition.

It is not intentionally misleading, just assumed the facts fit the predetermined narrative without checking the actual timeline.

I think you're probably right here.

And I'll believe you're right when the narritive dies.

[Oh wow]

Now you know the people who use this argument aren’t going to defend it with actual data or analysis.

“8 years, 8 yeeeears”

[whatever]

What part of 3 wins in 8 years isn't factual?

[Steel Maniac]

I am going to positively DESTROY this FLAWED logic.

BTW Maniac, kudos for giving the coaches props on the last game. Again shows you are not a blind hater.

But I AM going to go after your sig as it demonstrates a major error in your reasoning.

Let me ask......why are we looking at THAT time frame specifically? 8 seasons? Kinda weird.

First of all you say, “between 2010 and 2018”.

After the 2010 season.....in February 2011.....we played the Packers in the SB.
I think you “missed” a few playoff wins that year.

But I get your point. You meant, “from the 2011 season”. OK, lets go there.

We are looking at the time when “Cowhers players had left”. But are we.....really?

2011 roster included:
Troy
Ike
Kiesel
Harrison
Ward
Miller
Farrior
Casey
Troy
Clark
A Smith
Hoke
McFadden
Starks
Colon

So we are NOT in fact looking at the period when the core players from Cowher had left.

But we DID NOT WIN a playof game that season which began a playoff win drought......WITH Cowhers AGING players.

The drought ENDED as Tomlin drafted players became core to the team.

If you HONESTLY want to look at Tomlin leading HIS players, here is a real “round” figure that correlates to Tomlin your point.

Last 5 seasons. Cowhers guys were almost all gone.
Maniac, compare that period of success (playoff or regular season) to ANY AFC coach not name Belichick.
I’ll give you the Broncos, who won a SB......a success for one season.

Anybody else?

The fact is that an 8 year period has ZERO correlation to Tomlins players.

It was chosen because it fits a narrative.

Good morning Captain. What side of the bed did you wake up on? Lol

You can’t destroy it. It is what it is.

[BURGH86STEEL]

What part of 3 wins in 8 years isn't factual?

How about making the playoffs 8 out of 12 years. The Steelers were not in the hunt for the playoffs in only 2 of those years. That's why Tomlin is still the HC of the Steelers.

The people that run the organization might give Tomlin a pass considering what's transpiring this year with injuries. Even with what's transpired up to this point of the season the team had the opportunity to win every game except one. Player mistakes costs the team opportunities to win at least 2 more games.

I still feel good about this team's chances to make the playoffs if Mason can improve as the season progresses. Injuries may ultimately take a toll on this team's chances.

[Steel Maniac]

How about making the playoffs 8 out of 12 years. The Steelers were not in the hunt for the playoffs in only 2 of those years. That's why Tomlin is still the HC of the Steelers.

The people that run the organization might give Tomlin a pass considering what's transpiring this year with injuries. Even with what's transpired up to this point of the season the team had the opportunity to win every game except one. Player mistakes costs the team opportunities to win at least 2 more games.

I still feel good about this team's chances to make the playoffs if Mason can improve as the season progresses. Injuries may ultimately take a toll on this team's chances.

86steel, in your opinion, will we ever win a super bowl again with Tomlin as head coach?

[Northern_Blitz]

86steel, in your opinion, will we ever win a super bowl again with Tomlin as head coach?

I think the odds are better now than they were in the offseason.

The improvements on D make we think we can put together an elite D similar to the last few times we made / won SBs.

But there isn't any current coach I would bet on winning a SB in the next 5 years or so (except BB).

I'd imagine the odds of any specific coach winning that time aren't above 50%, so I'd say it's unlikely.

But the question your asking frames the problem in the wrong way.

Instead, we should frame the problem in the way the team should approach the decision.

Does replacing coach X with coach Y increase or decrease the teams chances of winning?

Then you replace the coach if you think it gives your team a higher expected value of success.

Even data in your cherry picked time frame shows that Tomlin does better than the vast majority of coaches

Captain shows you here that the logic you used to select your time frame doest give you that time frame.

You can admit you were wrong, or double down even though we now know you were mistaken.

Don't be the KFC of internet posters

[Steel Maniac]

I think the odds are better now than they were in the offseason.

The improvements on D make we think we can put together an elite D similar to the last few times we made / won SBs.

But there isn't any current coach I would bet on winning a SB in the next 5 years or so (except BB).

I'd imagine the odds of any specific coach winning that time aren't above 50%, so I'd say it's unlikely.

But the question your asking frames the problem in the wrong way.

Instead, we should frame the problem in the way the team should approach the decision.

Does replacing coach X with coach Y increase or decrease the teams chances of winning?

Then you replace the coach if you think it gives your team a higher expected value of success.

Even data in your cherry picked time frame shows that Tomlin does better than the vast majority of coaches

Captain shows you here that the logic you used to select your time frame doest give you that time frame.

You can admit you were wrong, or double down even though we now know you were mistaken.

Don't be the KFC of internet posters

North, I’m not trying to be disrespectful but I just do t read your comments on Tomlin anymore. You and I have chopped it up several times and it’s like beating a dead horse at this point. Believe what you wish about Tomlin. But the fact remains we will never win another super with him as head coach.

[Mr.wizard]

86steel, in your opinion, will we ever win a super bowl again with Tomlin as head coach?

What makes you think replacing the coach increases your chances of winning the Superbowl? You're talking about hiring a guy who on coaching alone is going to get you by Tom Brady and the Pats and Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs?

[SS Laser]

The thing that I see is with or without Tomlin in the Big Ben era there might not be another Super Bowl.
It looks better today with the way the defense has played so far.

[Mr.wizard]

North, I’m not trying to be disrespectful but I just do t read your comments on Tomlin anymore. You and I have chopped it up several times and it’s like beating a dead horse at this point. Believe what you wish about Tomlin. But the fact remains we will never win another super with him as head coach.

You need to learn the definition of the word "fact". It is not a fact we wont win another Superbowl under Tomlin, thats just some nonsense you keep repeating.