WR Michael Thomas gets 5 yr, $100M w/$61M guaranteed

[Oh wow]

Do you really believe this? The organization ultimately wins for the organization! The organization ultimately makes money for the organization and owners? Rewarding fans is way down on the priority list. Fans are a dime a dozen and essentially entertainment junkies. What the fans think and like is probably less than 10%, if that, of what goes into the decisions the team makes.

A competitive team is the best reward for a fan base.

If you go into the season thinking you have a shot at a SB your franchise is doing it right.

[D Rock]

You won't be laughing when that is what we have to pay to keep JuJu in the next 18-24 months.

Julio Jones (FA in 2021) will probably get more per year than Thomas got, although maybe a shorter contract. Tyreek Hill is a total wildcard (2020) with his legal issues

I think the biggest thing to watch will be what the Cowboys give Amari Cooper (2020). He hasn't produced to the level of these other guys, so if he gets paid big - that is the contract that would really ruin the market.

Also coming up for new contracts soon: AJ Green (2020), TY Hilton (2021), Keenan Allen (2021)

JuJu would be a free agent in 2021. The market is over-inflated now, but it's only going to get worse still

[Oh wow]

I like your idea, but doing that would only escalate that salary to possibly double what it is now with the aid of the exemption.

I've said it before, I think they should have a cap of no more than say 12 percent for any single players salary.
Easy to pass for the union, as it mean mo money, mo money, mo money, for 95 percent of the players.

The rookie QB contract advantage goes away.

a rookie QB advantage?

You still have to pick the right QB and have everything else in place to make a serious run at a SB.

I think the way it’s set up now is fine.

It was ridiculous to give a QB who went number 1 in the draft a deal worth $75 mill out of the gate.

I think players who prove their worth on their first contract should have a shot at a huge pay day on their 2nd contract.

[Captain Lemming]

Julio Jones (FA in 2021) will probably get more per year than Thomas got, although maybe a shorter contract. Tyreek Hill is a total wildcard (2020) with his legal issues

I think the biggest thing to watch will be what the Cowboys give Amari Cooper (2020). He hasn't produced to the level of these other guys, so if he gets paid big - that is the contract that would really ruin the market.

Also coming up for new contracts soon: AJ Green (2020), TY Hilton (2021), Keenan Allen (2021)

JuJu would be a free agent in 2021. The market is over-inflated now, but it's only going to get worse still

I hope it does and that MOST teams aren't stupid and continue to overpay receivers. I want us to SEE what happens when you lose a great but arrogant receiver as we IMPROVE without Brown and LEARN from it.
Then we will have that same edge NE has by not paying easily replaceable positions in a league that doesnt know any better.

[Steel Maniac]

I hope it does and that MOST teams aren't stupid and continue to overpay receivers. I want us to SEE what happens when you lose a great but arrogant receiver as we IMPROVE without Brown and LEARN from it.
Then we will have that same edge NE has by not paying easily replaceable positions in a league that doesnt know any better.

I think Colbert is on the path to learning just that. But just when that education is received, he may retire or leave and then we have to break in a new GM and then the education starts from zero for him.

[Captain Lemming]

a rookie QB advantage?

You still have to pick the right QB and have everything else in place to make a serious run at a SB.

I think the way it’s set up now is fine.

It was ridiculous to give a QB who went number 1 in the draft a deal worth $75 mill out of the gate.

I think players who prove their worth on their first contract should have a shot at a huge pay day on their 2nd contract.

See....you argue with me when I just supported your point Dizz.
You just implied we are burdened with Bens contract, yet you argue there is no "rookie QB advantage"?

Sure you gotta draft the right QB. But that does not negate the fact that KC has a HUGE cap advantage over Seattle. It means KC can get away with managing the cap poorly. Look at the Browns. I hate overpaying backs and receivers. But the Browns arent gonna hurt for signing OBJ like say the Seahawks would be. While I STILL think the Rams were idiots for extending Gurley EARLY, it doesn't hurt them like a team with a vet QB.

You might be fine as it is....cool.

But to try to make a case that there is no rookie QB contract WHEN YOU YOURSELF implied that is how Wilson got his ring......you just can't help playing "devils advocate" to most of what I say.

[Oh wow]

See....you argue with me when I just supported your point Dizz.
You just implied we are burdened with Bens contract, yet you argue there is no "rookie QB advantage"?

Sure you gotta draft the right QB. But that does not negate the fact that KC has a HUGE cap advantage over Seattle. It means KC can get away with managing the cap poorly. Look at the Browns. I hate overpaying backs and receivers. But the Browns arent gonna hurt for signing OBJ like say the Seahawks would be. While I STILL think the Rams were idiots for extending Gurley EARLY, it doesn't hurt them like a team with a vet QB.

You might be fine as it is....cool.

But to try to make a case that there is no rookie QB contract WHEN YOU YOURSELF implied that is how Wilson got his ring......you just can't help playing "devils advocate" to most of what I say.

No. It’s just a discussion.

My issue is making a cap of 12% for any other player.

I think teams should be able to spend however they want when it comes to contracts outside of the rookie scale.

So when you say it eliminates the rookie advantage I don’t necessarily agree with that.

If a player exceeds his contract or plays lights out and is a huge part of the teams success why can’t he have the opportunity to make more than 12%?

[Captain Lemming]

My issue is making a cap of 12% for any other player.

Any "other" player?

You do know I am suggesting no more than 12 percent for any player period including QBs.

If nobody can make more than 12 percent it mostly hurts QBs and spreads that to the rest of the team.

That eliminates the rookie QB contract advantage as veteran QBs will not eat up the cap space they do now.

As it stands, the Seahawks are hurt by having to pay so much for the QB as opposed to teams with a QB on his rookie deal. That is all I'm saying.

So when you say it eliminates the rookie advantage I don’t necessarily agree with that.

Why?

If a player exceeds his contract or plays lights out and is a huge part of the teams success why can’t he have the opportunity to make more than 12%?

OK you don't like the idea of this. Fine. Does not invalidate my contention that it would diminish the current rookie QB advantage, and that such an advantage exists.

In my view this is a matter of negotiation Dizz. I think players would vote overwhelmingly for it because everybody wins EXCEPT for a player or rarely 2 players per team. Mostly elite QBs would take the hit.

[Mr.wizard]

I don't think Players would vote for that, all it does is put a cap on how much an individual player can make. That doesn't guarantee more for the rest of the players because the team doesn't have to spend all of the cap.

[Oh wow]

I don't think Players would vote for that, all it does is put a cap on how much an individual player can make. That doesn't guarantee more for the rest of the players because the team doesn't have to spend all of the cap.

This too.

I think teams are trying to stay as competitive as possible when they sign mega deals.

Letting an expensive player walk doesn’t guarantee success and often makes a FO look like they aren’t serious about winning.

[Captain Lemming]

I don't think Players would vote for that, all it does is put a cap on how much an individual player can make. That doesn't guarantee more for the rest of the players because the team doesn't have to spend all of the cap.

But teams DO tend to spend the cap because of competition whether they have to or not. The reality is that MOST players will make more money if this were implemented. It is an EASY sell.

[Captain Lemming]

I think teams are trying to stay as competitive as possible when they sign mega deals.

Letting an expensive player walk doesn’t guarantee success and often makes a FO look like they aren’t serious about winning.

Yet YOU advocate the ridiculous idea of letting Ben walk Dizz despite what you just said.

As it is, a team like ours must choose between allocating disproportionate cap space to our veteran QB.....which creates a competitive disadvantage compared to a team with an elite QB on a rookie deal with much more cash for other positions. Or we don't pay an astronomical amount to one player and let him walk (as you suggest) which creates a worse competitive situation.

Conversely, we had an advantage as did the Seahawks, when our QBs were on there rookie deals.

And dont get me started with the HUGE advantage the Pats have had by having a QB who can afford to be paid like a below average QB.

By creating a single player cap, salaries WILL go up for 95 percent of all players, and keeping a veteran QB does not hurt your teams competitiveness.

[Steel Maniac]

Yet YOU advocate the ridiculous idea of letting Ben walk Dizz despite what you just said.

Boom...........

[Captain Lemming]

Some fun facts:

Mahommes: 2.5 mil
Ben: 26 mil

KC over TWENTY MILLION MORE DOLLARS to buy talent around their QB.

Dizz says there in no rookie QB contract advantage?

[Captain Lemming]

More fun facts....on this topic
Is paying big bucks to receivers a good investment?:

The highest paid WR in Patriots history is reining SB MVP.
He will be a 7 mil cap hit to play for the Pats.

The highest paid receiver in Steelers history was AWOL with the playoff on the line.
He will be a 21 million dollar cap hit to the STEELERS to play for the Raiders.
WE ARE HAMSTRUNG BY THE BIGGEST NON-QB cap hit in Steeler HISTORY.

I am happy Thomas got paid.....because he AINT a Steeler.
It was stupid for the team as it always is to pay the stupid amount receivers get paid.