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  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35323

    Hines Ward says you ‘can’t compare’ his stats to AB’s

    Ward says you ‘can’t compare’ his stats to AB’s

    By Hunter Homistek
    Posted on July 8, 2019

    Hines Ward retired from football after the 2011 season as the Steelers' all-time leader in receptions, yards and touchdowns. He still holds those records.

    And just as Ward's records live on in the Steel City, so does his appreciation for the city that gave him his start as a pro. Drafted in 1998 out of the University of Georgia, Ward quickly became a fan favorite for his tenacious style and gritty attitude — always, somehow, delivered with a smile.

    "I wasn't the biggest, I wasn't the fastest, but I worked my butt off," Ward recently told 247Sports in an interview. "Coming from a blue-collar city like Pittsburgh, I think fans could appreciate that."

    Ward went on to call the fan base "unreal ... like no other," saying he and his wife still travel to Pittsburgh frequently for charity work. To Ward, that matters. Pittsburgh didn't take him for granted and he's making sure to return the favor, even after football.

    "For me, [it's about] always representing the black and gold no matter where I'm at, all over the world," Ward said. "I just think I'm always going to have a special place in Pittsburgh because I bleed black and gold."

    It wasn't all smiles for Ward with the Steelers, of course. Throughout his tenure, the team won two Super Bowls — one in which Ward was named the game's MVP — but they also lost a third shot at the Lombardi Trophy, falling to the Packers, 31-25 in Super Bowl XLV. Reflecting on his career, Ward says that's the one that still stings the most. In fact, he's actively tried to erase it from his life.

    "When we lost to the Packers, I didn't want to watch television for about a month," Ward said. "All the Sports Illustrated commercials ... I didn't want [to] see any of that stuff. I don't have any of my Super Bowl memorabilia from that loss to the Packers [laughs]. I gave it all away to family and friends."

    While Ward maintains major receiving record for the Steelers, many — myself included — felt Antonio Brown was destined to snag them all. Brown was on pace to do just that — and then "Mr. Big Chest" happened. I don't think we need to go through that saga again.

    What we do need to address, however, is a comment Ward made regarding this dynamic. Even though Brown had the numbers, focusing solely on stats misses the point in his eyes.

    "Yes, we were a running team, I played with Jerome Bettis, we ran the ball 40-50 times a game," Ward said. "You can’t compare my stats to what Antonio Brown is doing right now. It’s not even comparable. But in the big games, when it mattered the most, I took great pride in being the go-to guy, being someone the team can lean on. I played like that, I learned that from [Lynn Swann] and [John Stallworth]."

    Ward repeatedly referred to his Steelers' squads as a "family," remarking upon chemistry both on and off the field. That aspect is certainly important to him, as he was quick to criticize last year's Steelers team when things began to unravel. Now, Ward maintains his overall point, but he's softened his stance just a touch.

    "I get it. Being a former player, I do get embarrassed talking about the drama more than the football itself," Ward said. "I understand the culture [in Pittsburgh], I’ve been there, I've played there 14 years. When you talked about Steelers football, it was never about off the field stuff. It was always about ‘Let’s prepare for the Pittsburgh Steelers because they’re gonna hit you in the mouth regardless, on offense and defense.’ That’s what it should be about.”

    Former Steelers receiver Hines Ward opens up on his successes — and some failures — throughout his career and much more
  • Eich
    Legend
    • Jul 2010
    • 6957

    #2
    I agree with Hines that you can't really compare his stats with AB. Different era. Different strategy.

    Stats aside, Ward created his share of drama as a player and at times throughout his career, I was getting tired of some of it. But it played out well and he retired a Steelers hero. One of the toughest SOBs to ever play the position.

    When you look back on it now, in comparison to AB, Hines Ward was a SAINT! LOL

    I would take the player Hines Ward over AB all day.
    Last edited by Eich; 07-09-2019, 11:06 AM.

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    • Steel Maniac
      Banned
      • Apr 2017
      • 19472

      #3
      Ditto......

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      • Buzz
        Legend
        • Dec 2017
        • 8300

        #4
        Ward has something Brown will never have ... Super Bowl wins.

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        • STH70
          Benchwarmer
          • Jun 2017
          • 97

          #5
          Originally posted by Buzz
          Ward has something Brown will never have ... Super Bowl wins.
          He also cared more about his teammates, Winning and being a Pittsburgh Steeler than AB will EVER feel about ANY team.

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          • Oh wow
            Hall of Famer
            • Mar 2019
            • 2753

            #6
            Let’s slow down a bit. Hines was awesome but he also threatened to hold out and called Ben out ON AIR for not playing due to an “injury”

            He also bashed Ben anytime he said he wanted a big target WR.

            I think if we dealt Hines to another team when he was at his worst we would probably be viewed much differently.

            Now granted he never said he wanted to move on from the Steelers publicly but man, Hines and Ben used to go at it and used the media that was available at the time to jab each other.

            Imagine if Hines has access to Twitter or Instagram when they were beefing?

            Hines is just lucky he wasn’t around for the 24/7 access we have these days.

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            • STH70
              Benchwarmer
              • Jun 2017
              • 97

              #7
              Originally posted by Oh wow
              Let’s slow down a bit. Hines was awesome but he also threatened to hold out and called Ben out ON AIR for not playing due to an “injury”

              He also bashed Ben anytime he said he wanted a big target WR.

              I think if we dealt Hines to another team when he was at his worst we would probably be viewed much differently.

              Now granted he never said he wanted to move on from the Steelers publicly but man, Hines and Ben used to go at it and used the media that was available at the time to jab each other.

              Imagine if Hines has access to Twitter or Instagram when they were beefing?

              Hines is just lucky he wasn’t around for the 24/7 access we have these days.
              From 12/2/2009
              PITTSBURGH -- Hines Ward's apology to Ben Roethlisberger was extended to the rest of the Pittsburgh Steelers on Wednesday. Pittsburgh's veteran receiver said at a team meeting that he regretted creating a distraction when he questioned why a concussion had kept Roethlisberger from playing against the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday night, a game the struggling Steelers lost in overtime.

              "I apologized to the team for having to even answer questions about this. ... That was never my intention, I didn't want this to be a distraction," Ward said. "I should have just took the time and took the emotions out of it and just gave the politically correct answer."

              https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=4707191

              Hmmm, when's the last time AB did something like this?

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              • Oh wow
                Hall of Famer
                • Mar 2019
                • 2753

                #8
                Originally posted by STH70
                From 12/2/2009
                PITTSBURGH -- Hines Ward's apology to Ben Roethlisberger was extended to the rest of the Pittsburgh Steelers on Wednesday. Pittsburgh's veteran receiver said at a team meeting that he regretted creating a distraction when he questioned why a concussion had kept Roethlisberger from playing against the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday night, a game the struggling Steelers lost in overtime.

                "I apologized to the team for having to even answer questions about this. ... That was never my intention, I didn't want this to be a distraction," Ward said. "I should have just took the time and took the emotions out of it and just gave the politically correct answer."

                https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=4707191

                Hmmm, when's the last time AB did something like this?
                When has a player ever called the media to question the toughness of their QB?

                He should’ve apologized.

                I’m a Hines fan but I’m not going to act like he didn’t show his diva side with Ben.

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                • Buzz
                  Legend
                  • Dec 2017
                  • 8300

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Oh wow
                  When has a player ever called the media to question the toughness of their QB?

                  He should’ve apologized.

                  I’m a Hines fan but I’m not going to act like he didn’t show his diva side with Ben.
                  If Hines had a "diva side" then AB is the Queen Bee. I don't care for a few of the things Ward did, but he's a choir boy next to Mr. Mayhem-like-me.

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                  • Eich
                    Legend
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 6957

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Oh wow
                    Let’s slow down a bit.
                    I don't think anyone started off too fast. I acknowledged in my first reply to this post that Hines had his share of drama. But it ended well and he retired a Steelers hero.

                    It does not matter one bit that AB has access to twitter and Instagram. He was hell-bent on leaving the Steelers and decided to do it using bad (moronic, idiotic, unprofessional, child-like) behavior. He could have accomplished the same without twitter.

                    Again, IMO, AB makes Hines Ward look like a Saint.

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                    • Oh wow
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Mar 2019
                      • 2753

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Buzz
                      If Hines had a "diva side" then AB is the Queen Bee. I don't care for a few of the things Ward did, but he's a choir boy next to Mr. Mayhem-like-me.
                      AB was definitely worse because he forced a trade but IMO I don’t think they were that far apart when it comes to their beef with Ben and off field drama.

                      It’s not like AB was a pain from day 1. His antics are still fresh so they sting much more but Hines was a piece of work when he was doing his thing off the field.

                      Some folks think Twitter doesn’t make a difference but I think it does. These days a few question marks or an emoji turn into think pieces online.

                      Not trying to dog Hines out but I think history is much kinder after the dust settles.

                      Back when it was happening in real time it was ugly and unprofessional. One thing players never should do is question another players toughness publicly when injured.

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                      • Buzz
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2017
                        • 8300

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Oh wow
                        AB was definitely worse because he forced a trade but IMO I don’t think they were that far apart when it comes to their beef with Ben and off field drama.
                        Really??? Hines never did anything CLOSE to getting PUT OUT about his TEAMMATE winning MVP, and then QUITTING on his TEAM when they were making a push for the playoffs. Hines never did anything CLOSE to chucking an ottoman off a balcony, and narrowly missing a little kid below. Hines never did anything CLOSE to VIOLATING his coach's orders/team protocol by livestreaming his coach's lockerroom address. I don't recall Hines ever throwing a cooler on the sideline or otherwise going off on a tantrum because he wasn't getting the ball as much as he wanted. If you don't think Ward and Brown were that far apart, then you probably think the Pittsburgh Hills are nearly as tall as the Himalayas.

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                        • Northern_Blitz
                          Legend
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 23991

                          #13
                          If I had to choose one player in their prime for one game, I'd take AB without thinking about it. I think he's probably the best WR we've ever had (and we've had lots of good ones).

                          There's lots to like about them both. They were both underdogs from their draft position that worked their asses off to be the best WRs on their respective teams.

                          Hines won a SB and got the MVP (in a game where there probably wasn't a clear choice).

                          AB never won a SB, but consistently made insane catches all over the field.

                          I think putting Hines on the team for the past few years doesn't overcome the lack of D and AB probably contributes as much as Hines on those teams if he doesn't lose his ****.

                          But losing his **** ended up being the other thing AB was really good at. But maybe he just figured that we weren't going to win a championship with this D when Ben was still here, so he might as well try to maximize his income.

                          A lot of the BS with AB gets put on Tomlin for appeasement, and that's probably fair. But I also wonder if extending him early the first time (which I think was reasonable given how he outperformed his contract) made him feel like he could demand similar treatment again when he was already making a ton of $$$.

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                          • BURGH86STEEL
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 6908

                            #14
                            Brown is probably a better WR than Ward. No question that Ward was a better football player than Brown.

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                            • Northern_Blitz
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 23991

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                              Brown is probably a better WR than Ward. No question that Ward was a better football player than Brown.
                              Better team mate at the very least.

                              And Ward was a great player too.

                              But if you can't compare their stats directly, you can compare them to their peers. AB was a 4x all pro, Ward made that team 0 times. Not the be all and end all, but I think that's why AB will make the Hall and Ward will be just short.

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